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#1 wrto4556

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Posted 30 May 2005 - 04:40 PM

SB has been running bad and is generally too loose and too passive. He's not a donk, but he's not aggressive enough and plays a little too many hands.5/10 (5 handed)Preflop: I get delt A :club: ,4 :) in the BB.UTG folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, I check.I normally raise this about 75% of the time. I didn't here.Flop: T :D ,7 :D ,5 :club: SB bets, I call.Turn: A :) SB bets, I call.River: K :club: SB bets, I raise...Anyone think I should raise the turn, instead? I figured I would let him bluff a draw to the river, should I charge him? Also, I figured if he does have a hand, I get more out of him this way; he might fold to a turn raise. Plus, he is less likely to 3-bet two pair on the river.
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#2 RISEorFall

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Posted 30 May 2005 - 04:47 PM

you say he's not aggressive enough, but he's bet into you on every street, so I'm guessing he has a 10. If he's not aggressive enough he probably folds to a raise on the turn and he probably folded to a raise on the river unless he had 2 pair. so yeah, i like the play here. EDIT: actually, if you raise the turn, he might 3 bet thinking you're bluffing at the ace, especially if you usually raise an Ace heads up. Then a stop n go would be more profitable...

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Posted 30 May 2005 - 04:48 PM

I like it. I tend to call behind on the turn in situations where my opponent could be drawing very slim and know it, especially when a scare card comes off. A lot of players are capable of folding to a turn raise here when it becomes relatively obviously you spiked your ace. I think you're going to get 3 bets from an opponent that is drawing VERY slim a lot more often than you will by raising the turn.Ice

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Posted 30 May 2005 - 10:10 PM

wrto4556 said:

Flop: T :D ,7 :) ,5 :D  SB bets, I call.
I don't get this part. If you consider him to be bluffing, why not raise? This might also ultimately get him to fold a 5 or some 7's. However based off what you said about him, do you think he would make this bet without hitting a pair? If he has any of the 9 5s, 7s, or Ts, then you have only 3 outs to win the hand. I know you think I'm too weak/tight, but I'd be interested on how you thought calling would be better than either raising or folding, read dependant?

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Posted 30 May 2005 - 10:12 PM

Raise the turn is probably the most straight forward option, and he'll probably call you down anyway.It's what loose players do
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Posted 30 May 2005 - 10:15 PM

Vade said:

Raise the turn is probably the most straight forward option, and he'll probably call you down anyway.It's what loose players do
But if he's got a trash hand, why not let him bluff on the river? I guess the only problem would be if he has a weak seven and check/calls the river and we lose a bet. But I think we come out slightly ahead by calling the turn and raising the river against most solid-aggressive opponents. Ice

#7 jayboogie

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Posted 30 May 2005 - 10:21 PM

I'd have folded on the flop here, because your normally behind in this spot and the pot is small, I'd pick a better spot than drawing to 3 outs to outdraw my opponent for a small pot. I'd only call on the flop if I was planning on raising the turn no matter what came up and felt my opponent is bluffing. It's a possibility that your opponent is bluffing, but more likely he's not unless he's the type to bet at each and every single ragged flop. Since you checked in the big blind, he'd have to put you on cards that could hit the flop as well, so bluffing is a little less likely here in most cases.




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