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#61 Fenxis

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 06:05 AM

View PostBalloon guy, on 29 January 2017 - 09:00 PM, said:

Gun control didn't work so well in Quebec tonight did it?

And it's a national event -- in the US let's call it Tuesday, or is it Thursday?

Also it looks like 39 people got out w/ injuries so tbd if they actually had automatics, etc..
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Posted 30 January 2017 - 01:04 PM

Automatics have been banned in the US since 1986, and since 1994 even "scary" semi-automatics have been banned.

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napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 08:15 PM

View PostBalloon guy, on 29 January 2017 - 09:00 PM, said:

Gun control didn't work so well in Quebec tonight did it?

Not surprising, I knew some idiot would post this. I'm even less surprised by which idiot got to it first.



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Posted 30 January 2017 - 08:59 PM

You guys stood on the graves of women, children and gays to promote your false narrative of the need for more gun control.

Now you get to live with your rules.

No one cares if you can't handle it when the shoe is on the other foot.
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Posted 30 January 2017 - 11:42 PM

View Postbrvheart, on 30 January 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

Automatics have been banned in the US since 1986, and since 1994 even "scary" semi-automatics have been banned.

Not to be the 'actually' guy, but that's kinda not really so.

The 86 law created a moratorium on new fully automatic weapons for civilian sale (which were and still are very heavily regulated) but did not 'ban' them. This caused a huge market force against the prices of grandfathered, 'transferable' machine guns that now sell for enormous premiums over their intrinsic value. That market existed under the radar until about the time the internet became common, circa 2000'ish. That's when a transferable M16 was still $3000. After that, it went bananas, now they're $15K-$20K and up.

The 1994 law sunsetted in 2004 and is no longer in effect.

But... the whole idea of "AT LEAST THEY DIDN'T HAVE (some kind of gun)" is intellectually dishonest bullshit.
Sadly, some maniac going on a turkey shoot inside a room of unarmed people is going to kill a lot of them. It's not like his using a hunting shotgun to kill 12 or an AR15 to kill 28 is going to result in otherwise anti gun rights people from tempering their position on anything.
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 06:01 AM

View PostBalloon guy, on 30 January 2017 - 08:59 PM, said:

You guys stood on the graves of women, children and gays to promote your false narrative of the need for more gun control.

Now you get to live with your rules.

No one cares if you can't handle it when the shoe is on the other foot.

Gun-related homicides per capita for the US versus Canada (and pretty much everywhere else)

QED
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 06:14 AM

View PostFenxis, on 31 January 2017 - 06:01 AM, said:

Gun-related homicides per capita for the US versus Canada (and pretty much everywhere else)

QED

It's the accidental shootings as well. (think about all those armed toddlers for example) As well as suicides.

More people are shot in accidents and suicides than in deliberate shootings. Having a gun in the home statistically makes that home less safe.

There are a lof of guns in Canada but far far less accidental shootings per capita than in the US and that is because of the regulations around gun storage plus the fact that most guns in Canada are long guns and not hand guns. In Canada it's basically impossible to get a permit for a gun for self defense and or to be allowed to carry it outside the home and when a gun is in the home it has to be locked up. Having a loaded shotgun in the closet or a pistol next to your bed even if the guns are legal are crimes here.
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 06:31 AM

View PostFCP Bob, on 31 January 2017 - 06:14 AM, said:

Having a loaded shotgun in the closet or a pistol next to your bed even if the guns are legal are crimes here.

Which is good minimizing domestic violence. We have the whole "guns don't kill people, people kill people" line -- to which you could reply "motive and opportunity". If you don't have a loaded gun sitting next to you that's a whole lot less opportunity.
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 08:00 AM

The numbers indicate that an increase in the amount of guns in a society does not increase violent crime, and this is what the gun-lovers will tout to support their case. However, the numbers clearly indicate that access to guns makes it way more likely that a violent or volatile situation will result in homicides/manslaughter/accidental death. Also, the availability of guns has a very noticeable affect on suicide rates. Guns quite simply make society less safe. Having a gun in your home makes it more likely that you or somebody in your household will die by gunshot.

Unfortunately, to the 2nd amendment simpletons, facts and studies are always going to be less compelling than anecdotes. So the story about a grandmother protecting her grandchildren by fighting off a home invasion with a handgun is all you are going to hear about when the gun control issue comes up.

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 11:23 AM

Those grandchildren should just die at the hands of an armed intruder because then someone who wants to commit suicide will have a harder time?

You cannot be trusted to have a gun because you are not capable of dealing with the responsibility. The government will handle your safety. They are like a Big Brother, always there to help.


I thought you liberal nutjobs were all about helping people in assisted suicides if that's their choice? is that only if they pay a union doctor to do it?
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 12:06 PM

recap:

BG just reacted with indignation in defending an imaginary grandmother in an imaginary anecdote, then did his straw-man thing and went of on a rant about liberals that bears only passing resemblance to the topic at hand.

Well done. You continue to outdo yourself.

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 07:12 PM

Thank you.
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 07:25 PM

Uh oh, A somalian refugee recently applied for a gun permit.

Liberals not sure if they are supposed to enforce background check...
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 09:38 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on 31 January 2017 - 06:14 AM, said:

Having a gun in the home statistically makes that home less safe.

It does, but that's because 'statistics' categorize well balanced, sane, capable, intelligent people as Group A and divide them by the actions of retards in Group B to form some kind of 'ratio' that doesn't control for the fact that the people who skew the curve shouldn't be dictating policy for everyone else.

The Y factor in "gun crime statistics" in the United States are blacks. You really don't have many of them in Canada... but even if you did, it is indeed true that the scale of gun ownership in the United States plays a role in gun misuse. It's just that we're too far gone on that issue to really do anything about it. There are too many guns, there's no amount of idealists with aggregate statistics or even school shootings that will cause anybody to give up the gun they have, so our reality is what it is.

If we could go back in time, we'd probably be better off not letting things get to this point but at this point, there's nothing we can do. It's too late.

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Unfortunately, to the 2nd amendment simpletons, facts and studies are always going to be less compelling than anecdotes. So the story about a grandmother protecting her grandchildren by fighting off a home invasion with a handgun is all you are going to hear about when the gun control issue comes up.

Be that as it may, the "you're statistically less safe if you have a gun in the home" is kinda like how you're statistically less safe if you own a car or you're statistically less safe and more likely to drown if you own a pool.

You manipulate idiots with authority.
You manipulate the average with anecdotes.
You manipulate the average who believe they're 'above average' with statistics.

YOU may be less safe if you own a gun because you're irresponsible and prone to suicide or unable to control your emotion. That's really your problem, yet you project your own inadequacies onto the rest of society.
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Posted 01 February 2017 - 07:44 AM

lol. I don't own a gun for the same reason I don't drive an F350 truck. I don't need symbols of power to prove my self worth. And the actual utility of either for my day to day life is zero.

And let's not carried away with the responsibility level of the average human being, regardless of the colour of their skin. The "smart gun owner" in your scenario is a small minority.

Also, lol @ "prone to suicide". I know you are just trolling and you aren't actually that stupid, so we don't need to get into that comment.

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 01:41 PM

View PostScrim, on 30 January 2017 - 11:42 PM, said:

Not to be the 'actually' guy, but that's kinda not really so.

The 86 law created a moratorium on new fully automatic weapons for civilian sale (which were and still are very heavily regulated) but did not 'ban' them. This caused a huge market force against the prices of grandfathered, 'transferable' machine guns that now sell for enormous premiums over their intrinsic value. That market existed under the radar until about the time the internet became common, circa 2000'ish. That's when a transferable M16 was still $3000. After that, it went bananas, now they're $15K-$20K and up.

The 1994 law sunsetted in 2004 and is no longer in effect.

But... the whole idea of "AT LEAST THEY DIDN'T HAVE (some kind of gun)" is intellectually dishonest bullshit.
Sadly, some maniac going on a turkey shoot inside a room of unarmed people is going to kill a lot of them. It's not like his using a hunting shotgun to kill 12 or an AR15 to kill 28 is going to result in otherwise anti gun rights people from tempering their position on anything.

Thanks for the corrections.

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napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 09:13 PM

View PostDubey, on 01 February 2017 - 07:44 AM, said:

And let's not carried away with the responsibility level of the average human being, regardless of the colour of their skin. The "smart gun owner" in your scenario is a small minority.

There are 65mm-70mm gun owners in the United States.

Your theory fails.
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Posted 07 February 2017 - 07:46 AM

And the USA has the highest per-capita gun death rate among developed countries (by far). Your theory fails.

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 12:18 PM

View PostDubey, on 07 February 2017 - 07:46 AM, said:

And the USA has the highest per-capita gun death rate among developed countries (by far). Your theory fails.

Absolutely we do. We're the only country that allows wide-scale gun ownership.
Japan has more deaths from eating Fugu than anywhere else.

Your theory that responsible gun owners were some kind of 'minority' has no basis in actual mathematics.
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Posted 07 February 2017 - 01:30 PM

View PostScrim, on 31 January 2017 - 09:38 PM, said:




If we could go back in time, we'd probably be better off not letting things get to this point but at this point, there's nothing we can do. It's too late.






Guns stay completely legal.

-Force everybody to register every gun currently in their possession.
-No private selling of guns.
-Gun registration works like Vehicle registration and licenses must be renewed yearly.
-Must pass gun safety course in order to be approved for registration
-extensive background check, 1 on 1 interview etc.. for any gun purchase. Think Nexus card application levels of scrutiny.
-Any lost or stolen guns must be reported immediately and logged in the database
-Illegal to fire or be carrying a gun that is not registered to you personally
-Heavy financial penalties to both parties if above law is broken
-If a gun is found to be used in a crime, whoever the gun is registered to is held at least partially responsible. (ie. manslaughter charge if your brother uses a gun and kills somebody)
-No concealed or open carry allowed in any scenario outside of private property
-Heavy punishment if above law is broken (jail, fine etc..)
-Heavy tax on Ammunition (price of Ammo should go up 10x or more)

Of course this would never happen because NRA.




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