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#21 scuudagouch

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Posted 16 November 2016 - 08:24 AM

Bob is going to overload...keep breathing slow deep breaths.
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 12:07 PM

View Postscuudagouch, on 16 November 2016 - 08:24 AM, said:

Bob is going to overload...keep breathing slow deep breaths.

my problem is I really hate ignorant dangerous people and it looks like Team Trump is mostly made up of those.
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 02:45 PM

Why are they dangerous?
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 04:32 PM

If you look at the transition team this is going way beyond anti-establishment/cleaning up the swamp. Revenge of the deplorables?
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 04:48 PM

View PostScrim, on 16 November 2016 - 02:45 PM, said:

Why are they dangerous?

somebody who doesn't believe in science in charge of the EPA is dangerous for example

It's dangerous to have somebody with little foreign policy experience and who is probably insane as Sec of State (Hello Rudy)

It's dangerous to have so many of them with ties to Russia.
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 05:07 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on 16 November 2016 - 04:48 PM, said:

somebody who doesn't believe in science in charge of the EPA is dangerous for example

Ebell doesn't even have a science degree; a Masters in Political Theory.
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 06:00 PM

So this should be fun.

Make predictions here about the absolute worst things that will happen during the first 4 years of Trump and for extra credit, a 2nd term Trump (that way you have an out if he doesn't get elected to a 2nd term, you can always claim that the really scary stuff would've come then)

What you do think he's actually going to do that is dangerous and destabilizing.

I guess I'm not quite as afraid of being friends with Russia as some of the others here, but I'd be interested to hear people make concrete predictions about 1) what Trump will do that's going to ruin something and 2) what the actual outcome will be.

Here's mine.

He will appoint Supreme Court justice that will seriously empower the surveillance and authority-state.
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 06:06 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on 16 November 2016 - 04:48 PM, said:

It's dangerous to have somebody with little foreign policy experience and who is probably insane as Sec of State (Hello Rudy)

Why do you think Rudy is insane?
Do bear in mind that as far as 'foreign policy experience' goes, neither Hillary Clinton nor John Kerry were ever in the diplomatic corps. Time Magazine saw fit to name him Man of the Year and the Queen knighted him...

Also, 'experience' can he hugely overrated. That was the argument against Hussein and he's a lock for Top 10 president.
You staff with the best brains. That's the Jim Simons formula.Not by picking job titles or people who are 'next in line'.
Simons found that the best HFT and hedge fund guys weren't necessarily those with the most lush investing pedigree, but people who had a track record of making good science, even if it was in fields totally unrelated to investing. Using this general formula, he put together a team that crushed it on Wall Street which is the most ruthless and unforgiving performance evaluation marketplace there is.

When we have to go make deals with some other country, I'd feel completely OK with a man like Giuliani representing the interests of the United States, opposed to some Mr Rogers type or reducing the position to a dumb titular honorarium owed to some grand old man of a given political party, which is what 'Secretary of State John Kerry' was.
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 07:04 PM

View PostScrim, on 16 November 2016 - 06:00 PM, said:

What you do think he's actually going to do that is dangerous and destabilizing.

Well if the rumours are right there's a giant battle between the alt-right (Bannon is tied to the SuperPAC that basically funded Trumps campaign) and the 'traditional' Republicans. And i guess the kids that are trying to push him to the establishment.

The evangelical right agenda is pretty well known, anti-abortion and anti-GLTB. There is some speculation that the Supreme Court, even if stacked, might not overrule the precedents.

If the alt-right gets his ear then all bets are off. He was elected with an anti-illegals platform which is, for a better description is "safe", but we have seen that Bannon is a litany of anti-stuff like anti-Jewish and anti-Asian CEOs. Then the bombshell below:

Donald Trump's team 'discussing plans for Muslim registration system'

So it's tbd how bad it gets will depend on what direction he goes and what your political preferences but:
- bad understanding of economics likely will kill the US economy and will introduce crushing deficits
- potential collapse of the Paris agreement / warming goes up even faster (something for the other thread I guess)
- ideological > rational decision making
- The spike in hate crimes will probably continue
- More urban blacks will get shot by police & riots (justified or not)
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 07:53 PM

The similarities between the conviction you guys had about Trump and your knowledge of the inner thinking of the Trump possible picks is funny.

It's very much like the reporters who got the whole election about Trump wrong, and are now telling us what happened.

When you are wrong over and over and over and over, maybe sit out a few days and ask yourself what is causing you to constantly be wrong.

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Posted 16 November 2016 - 08:02 PM

And the ignorance of saying someone doesn't believe in science is pure drivel.

Just because I can point out that evolutionary thinking isn't scientific, nor has it ever been, doesn't mean I don't believe in trigonometry, or that I don't believe that many economist are full of crap most of the time.

Just because I point out that global warming is and has always been a power/money grab that has nothing to do with changing the climate, doesn't mean that I don't believe that the polar ice caps are larger now than they were in 1979, which was the base line GWing nutcases used to use when it fit their world view.

I think the better way to phrase your objections would be that your biased world view does not allow differing conclusions of raw data and as such you refuse to accept that you might be wrong because science!

In the mean time, get ready for the shift in the consensus of scientist when the money dries up in funding the GW scam.
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 08:06 PM

I liked the story Trump's campaign manager told on the news today that Christie is out of the inner circle because he wanted to stick with the old way of using political hacks and Trump is going to find the best based on experience and knowledge and not political favors and who's due.


The Alt-right way of thinking is permeating the Trump transition, and it's glorious.


BTW, watch the news nutcases going crazy over how long it's taking Trump to give them someone they can destroy, even though almost no President-elect ever announced a single appointment sooner than 3 weeks after defeating their drunken opponent. Most took 6-7 weeks before filling every position.
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 08:11 PM

View PostScrim, on 16 November 2016 - 06:00 PM, said:

Here's mine.

He will appoint Supreme Court justice that will seriously empower the surveillance and authority-state.

Do you think Trump is going to ignore the role Wikileaks played in his win?

Seems to me this would make him realize the awesome power for anyone who can get the secrets of people in power is.

Add to that the Alt-right's role in his election and their position on this issue.

I hope I'm right and you are wrong about the furthering of the power the government is amassing. Given to them largely by the democrats who want a bigger and bigger government more intertwined in every role of our daily lives. And allowed by the republicans who like the power.
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 09:55 PM

I think the alt right definitely played some role, but in many regards its much like the ballyhooed 'blogosphere' of the 2004 election.
If you were inside that bubble, it seemed like a huge deal but outside of it, the huge majority of most people didn't care. Like Gamergate. Or just Twitter in general.

One thing the alt right absolutely contributed to is narrative. A lot of their observations/points/snarks eventually made it into the mainstream, as well as being ground 0 for right wing creative resources.

The left's problem right now is that they enjoy almost total supremacy in terms of institutional values. The right wing is now the dissident wing. The left has gotten lazy. Their values are self-proclaimed universally moral and if you don't believe (y), then you're an evil (y)'ist and "ignorant", thus not worth listening to. That formula always favors the dissenters- be they they left in the 1950's and 60's or the right wing now- since the supreme party will eventually devolve into idealistic bullshit that doesn't withstand scrutiny yet they still demand people believe it.

This is what 'bullshitting some of the people, some of the time' looks like when it turns.
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 02:35 AM

This isn't surprising but is very not good. The National Security Advisor doesn't require Senate confirmation, if it did no way that Flynn would get confirmed.

Flynn has taken money from the Russian government. The party of Ronald Reagan is putting people compromised by Russia in the most senior intelligence positions.

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 03:09 AM

oh, not just on the payroll of the Russian government.

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NSA-designee Gen. Flynn is currently on the payroll of the government of Turkey.


Trump adviser linked to Turkish lobbying

A company tied to Erdogan's government hired retired general Michael Flynn's lobbying firm.

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 05:27 AM

View PostBalloon guy, on 16 November 2016 - 08:02 PM, said:

Just because I point out that global warming is and has always been a power/money grab that has nothing to do with changing the climate, doesn't mean that I don't believe that the polar ice caps are larger now than they were in 1979, which was the base line GWing nutcases used to use when it fit their world view.

I would reply:
* interesting that you have no problems seeing the money grab of going with "green" tech but seem to give no credence to the ties to the fossil fuel industries for the deniers.
* the earth is interconnected in ways we truly do not understand. The long term trends are pretty clear (the fact that there is an increase could be dismissed as long term trends but the rate at which it is increasing is key) but we see weird and unexplained local phenomena. I would put that to failure of the model and shouldn't be an excuse to throw out everything
http://www.nasa.gov/...-record-maximum
http://www.nasa.gov/...owest-on-record
* that being said; I do think we need to be extra careful about what we do (like the NE still gets a lot of its power from coal so driving an electric car there is actually worse overall)
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 07:13 AM

View PostFCP Bob, on 17 November 2016 - 02:35 AM, said:

This isn't surprising but is very not good. The National Security Advisor doesn't require Senate confirmation, if it did no way that Flynn would get confirmed.

Flynn has taken money from the Russian government. The party of Ronald Reagan is putting people compromised by Russia in the most senior intelligence positions.

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Wait, so taking money from a foreign government could compromise your integrity and makes you unfit for a high government post?

What changed since 8 days ago?

But please continue throwing up chicken-little objections for people who haven't even been nominated yet. Your Bannon scares were spot on, well, a little spotty. No they were completely wrong,
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 07:17 AM

View PostScrim, on 16 November 2016 - 09:55 PM, said:

I think the alt right definitely played some role, but in many regards its much like the ballyhooed 'blogosphere' of the 2004 election.
If you were inside that bubble, it seemed like a huge deal but outside of it, the huge majority of most people didn't care. Like Gamergate. Or just Twitter in general.

One thing the alt right absolutely contributed to is narrative. A lot of their observations/points/snarks eventually made it into the mainstream, as well as being ground 0 for right wing creative resources.

The left's problem right now is that they enjoy almost total supremacy in terms of institutional values. The right wing is now the dissident wing. The left has gotten lazy. Their values are self-proclaimed universally moral and if you don't believe (y), then you're an evil (y)'ist and "ignorant", thus not worth listening to. That formula always favors the dissenters- be they they left in the 1950's and 60's or the right wing now- since the supreme party will eventually devolve into idealistic bullshit that doesn't withstand scrutiny yet they still demand people believe it.

This is what 'bullshitting some of the people, some of the time' looks like when it turns.

I do agree the Alt-right is claiming a lot of credit they probably aren't due. Making me a little sad to read Cernovich's perspective on his importance.

And I agree that the left has been "fighting the power" while ignoring that they had become the power.

Ann Coulter's book Adios America probably had more to do with Trump's platform and eventual win than any other single thing, short of the Donald himself.


I do love the Gamergate meme now saying "They just wanted to play video games and you wouldn't leave them alone."
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 07:29 AM

what changed since 8 days ago...LOL well done.

The media seems to have made a change as well, all of the sudden they think they are the watch dogs again instead of the marketing arm of the current administration. I hope they learn to get the story right and show some objectivity sometime in the near future.
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