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#21 Ron_Mexico

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Posted 07 November 2015 - 08:48 AM

I was just in a total wine in Altamonte Springs. Didn't see anything from the thread. Just good Woodforde, since I put it in Diet Coke
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Posted 15 November 2015 - 04:44 PM

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This bourbon thing has Beanie Baby elements to it.
Has it entered the 'full ego' phase yet where the uber-desirable brand/vintage has been crowned and the dumbest participants are hysterical in driving up the price to get (whatever that is)? Because that's when you know the pain is just around the corner...

http://www.wsj.com/a...rrel-1418004595

Seems bourbon makers learned a lesson from the ammo market. Noting drives buying and hording like artificial scarcity.
I hope you're right, I really do. nothing would make me happier than to be able to find really good bourbon, whenever I want it, for non-ridiculous prices.

Elijah Craig 18--mentioned as being $39 in that article--was released this year at a new MSRP of $120. Larceny is a great wheated bourbon, but it isn't scarce, probably because it isn't from Buffalo Trace/Sazerac.

Not much else has changed since Dec 2014, other than the idea that one can go driving around and find stuff like George T Stagg in random places. there's too much money to be made... anyone involved in the process will be giving friends the heads up on when and where to show up for all the bottles (distributor employee, truck driver, owner of store, employee of store, etc). finding a case of George T Stagg at MSRP is like a $3k windfall.
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Posted 15 November 2015 - 08:37 PM

The same went for Starting Lineup figurines in the early 90's.
This is not sustainable. It takes nothing- N--O--T--H--I--N--G - for most any of these breweries to double, triple production capacity. Bourbon is straight commodity product. Overproduction will occur shortly, once the people apt to horde have gotten their fill and the panic subsides. Then, things return to a sane equilibrium.

Classic 'greater fool' market.
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Posted 16 November 2015 - 03:43 AM

the only problem is that there is no good way to artificially age bourbon. some distilleries do heat cycling but it isn't a perfect solution.

my thinking is that the craze dies down before supply catches up... mostly because I have never seen anything like this last the 10 additional years it would take for all the allocated stuff to be aged appropriately. if they were REALLY on the ball, the earliest production increases would have happened in 2010 or so.

I think scotch is a pretty reasonable comparison. I believe there is a Costco brand 18 year old scotch that costs like $40. there's literally no reason why that won't eventually happen for bourbon.
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Posted 16 November 2015 - 01:29 PM

Its entirely possible that bourbon manufacturers realized that there was a consumer surplus and they were leaving cash on the table relative to what their dumber customers were willing to pay (watch and guitar manufacturers realized this, too), but the 'scarcity' factor is horseshit.

It may never be cheap again but the mania we're seeing is classic greater-fool stuff and as sure as the sun rises, there will be a time when people look back on it and chuckle.
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Posted 18 November 2015 - 08:14 PM

great video review of this new 20yr release:


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Posted 18 November 2015 - 08:28 PM

Did not see that coming.

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Posted 18 November 2015 - 08:46 PM

that bottle was released at a laughable $375 msrp and instantly began trading for $900+ on the secondary market. perceived scarcity is a powerful thing.
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Posted 18 November 2015 - 08:46 PM

i just remembered this.

was shooting the shit with bartender and a feeb (at least that's what I thought he was, he would only say he worked for federal gov't and a few other hints. i suppose he could have been SS) and the barkeep was talking about how the hot thing a few years ago was getting vodka for bottle service, now bourbon and whiskey is the "in" drink. i think last year mgm put in a whiskey bar.

started watching the league and forgot where i was going with this...
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Posted 19 November 2015 - 04:42 AM

I remember my brother telling me about his buddy getting grey goose bottle service years ago at some bar in Vegas, and how many random girls this attracted. wonder if it's the same today.
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Posted 19 November 2015 - 05:52 AM

The last time I got "bottle service" was at a bar in Ames a few years ago. We drank them out of Makers (like two bottles) and convinced them to run to Kum and Go and get us another bottle but I don't think they ended up charging us for that one. #AheadOfTheCurve

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Posted 19 November 2015 - 08:04 AM

Bottle service is the biggest scam ever! Pay10x retail and you have to make your own drinks!

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Posted 20 November 2015 - 08:39 AM

You are more paying for a place to sit/hangout at a busy night club. I've done bottle service a handful of times with buddies in Vegas and it's probably the only way to get me to go into a nightclub at this point in my life (I'm 31). In most clubs where they are charging $15-$20 for a drink, the bottle service doesn't end up being as much of a markup, relatively speaking. If I'm going to spend $100+ on a handful of drinks and pack myself into a busy night club, I'd rather spend $200 and split a few bottles between a group of friends and actually be able to hang out and enjoy myself.

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 04:17 PM

found two bottles of Weller 12 at a random liquor store in middle of nowhere Missouri, $19 ea.

went to a nice store in Lawrence and just asked for Elijah Craig Barrel Proof, the cashier checks inventory, grabs it from the back and sells it to me. I was baffled.

the place in Lawrence had a ridiculous amount of allocated stuff just sitting on the shelf at rock-bottom prices. made me a little sad that I don't live there anymore, and that I wasn't into bourbon when I did.
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Posted 30 November 2015 - 11:10 PM

Seems relevant...

History behind some booze names
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Posted 01 December 2015 - 11:44 AM

Pretty interesting. I have heard the JD tour in TN is kind of neat.
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Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:41 PM

RandyReed posted a bunch of cool, unblurry pics from the Maker's Mark factory. Pretty sweet
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Posted 01 December 2015 - 02:48 PM

There is a very good reason that they were all unblurry. He was in them and someone else was taking them.

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napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 03:38 PM

Randy Reed, we hardly knew ye 🍺

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 06:58 PM

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They do a great job of explaining the situation. Not much has changed since then, except maybe Bulleit isn't outsourcing from Four Roses anymore.
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