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#1 InternetExplorer

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Posted 28 October 2015 - 08:58 PM

I'm leaving this pretty open-ended, so don't feel like it's wrong to post about random non-bourbon or rye stuff here. Below are the bottles I have accumulated, or would purchase if given the opportunity. There are good limited edition bottles, but I just don't think it's worth the time to look for them anymore, so I'm not listing pappy et al.

The Weller Line

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None of these should be priced above $40. I would recommend trying all of them. I think they are the best value on the market, but it's basically impossible to find Weller 12 anymore outside of Texas. They are a victim of the pappy craze.

Stagg Jr. (any batch)

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Want to taste something very, very similar to some of the most expensive bourbon on the market right now? Buy Stagg Jr., as long as it's <$70. It should not be overly hard to find. On the whole, it's an amazing value bourbon considering the proof, and I think it tastes wonderful.

Elmer T. Lee

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Elmer is popular because it was recognized for being a really good value bourbon. It is not mind-blowing; it is merely very good, and it used to be easy to find for $23. Give it a shot for anything less than $40.

Sazerac Rye (baby saz)

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This shouldn't be that hard to find. It should be no more than $40. I like it quite a lot as a value play, and it is nowhere near as harsh as some of the other ryes out there. One company in Indiana makes a huge amount of the rye whiskey on the market today, and they use a 95% rye mash bill that has a super strong dill taste to it. Baby Saz is nothing like that, but people are turned off to it partially due to that stigma. Try it, form your own opinion, etc.

Smooth Ambler Old Scout - Bourbon/Rye, cask or no

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These are all sourced from various distillers, not actually distilled by Smooth Ambler. They're very good, but the price is creeping up. There's a ton of variation between different barrels, but on the whole I would recommend anything below $60. If you see the cask strength rye for anything less than $70ish, go ahead and buy it.

Elijah Craig Barrel Proof

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I've only ever had a small pour of this, and have never seen a bottle for sale. It's really good, and nothing like the 12yr version one can find on any shelf. I would pay $70 for it. It has been as high as 140 proof, and it just does not taste like it. Phenomenal bourbon, released several times per year.

A Midwinter Night's Dram

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This is a seasonal release, but I don't think of it like a limited edition whiskey, because it tends to be available for a while. It usually goes for $80, and I would buy it in a heartbeat at that price. It's a port finished rye that has gotten rave reviews. High West is another producer that hasn't released anything but sourced stuff (other people distill and sell to them), but that's not necessarily a strike against them. They, like Smooth Ambler, are just really good at picking barrels.

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Posted 28 October 2015 - 09:28 PM

Three tier system explained (important to understanding the dumbass world of alcohol):
http://chuckcowdery....e-optional.html

My favorite picture of Chuck, hugging Weller 12:

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Posted 28 October 2015 - 09:35 PM

Also, this guide is amazing for getting people started on bourbon:
https://docs.google....urIxeSNfBk/edit
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Posted 29 October 2015 - 09:28 AM

Things I see often, are these rare or expensive:

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Posted 29 October 2015 - 10:00 AM

George T Stagg goes for $600 on the secondary market.

Everything else, fairly commonplace. Eagle Rare is good, and I've heard good things about Booker's. Booker's is probably next on my list to try.
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Posted 29 October 2015 - 10:10 AM

A $60 bottle is 10X on secondary market? Wow.

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Posted 29 October 2015 - 10:13 AM

MSRP is $80, you may be looking at Stagg Jr (which is a really good value at $60 especially considering CA COLA)

MSRP has no real basis in reality, the distillers are just using pre-craze pricing to drive up demand for limited edition bottles. this is what causes the lines at liquor stores--people can make a pretty good hourly rate.
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Posted 29 October 2015 - 10:19 AM

I did the math on the most recent Buffalo Trace Antique Collection release, assuming 25k bottles and $500/bottle (avg secondary price across all of the different types), that's $12.5 million in potential revenue vs. $2 million they're getting at $80/bottle.

This is an enormous leap I'm making here, but the effectiveness of that $10.5 million left on the table, as a marketing expense, is kind of insane.

It's also kind of insane to think about the $12.5 million figure relative to the hysteria you see across the country. I would have expected a bigger "market cap."
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Posted 29 October 2015 - 11:11 AM

I have a bottle of booker's and it's my current favourite. Overall exposure to bourbons is pretty low, though.
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Posted 29 October 2015 - 01:41 PM

What do we think of Johnny walker black?

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Posted 29 October 2015 - 01:45 PM

Speaking of that. I have a bottle of Johnny Walker black that is 10 years old. It has maybe 2 pours out of it. I don't drink scotch at all, so it's for other people. Is it still drinkable? I have no idea how long open liquor lasts.

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Posted 29 October 2015 - 02:27 PM

I 2nd Guapo's question. I recently bought new Triple Sec because I was worried about the age of mine.

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Posted 29 October 2015 - 03:25 PM

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Speaking of that. I have a bottle of Johnny Walker black that is 10 years old. Is it still drinkable?
Barely, but that has nothing to do with how long you've had it.

Liquor will keep forever if sealed properly. Liqueur's (things with sugars and creams and such) lifespan are measures in months I think.
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Posted 29 October 2015 - 04:24 PM

as long as the bottle is sealed, it should be fine. long term, it needs to be kept upright, at a temperature that isn't fluctuating much, and out of the sunlight. whiskey can last a very long time in those conditions, so I have heard.
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Posted 30 October 2015 - 01:23 PM

Which one of those is best with Coke Zero?


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Posted 30 October 2015 - 01:25 PM

Fwiw, I just wanted to say that I appreciated the effort that Strat put into this thread. If I was man enough to drink bourbon straight; I would take his suggestions. Also, it would help if I didn't drink almost an entire 750ml of that Butfalo Trace over the course of a day. I don't like one drink.
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Posted 30 October 2015 - 01:41 PM

Get Very Old Barton 100 proof if you're mixing. Old Granddad bottled in bond works too.
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Posted 30 October 2015 - 05:47 PM

When corksniffing pomp goes mainstream, it totally loses its entire purpose.
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Posted 30 October 2015 - 06:11 PM

One of the weirder labels:

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It actually tastes pretty good, and I think the 100 proof version is $12-15/750ml. It's a bottom shelf brand named after one of the founders of Brown-Forman (Jack Daniels, Old Forester, Southern Comfort, et al), but it was sold off to a competitor. To me, it's pretty odd that both parties are okay with the situation and signed off on it initially.

https://en.wikipedia...ki/J.T.S._Brown

I've been to Bardstown, KY a few times, and the highway signage has this apocalypse appearance--dusty/dirty black stains. It's bacteria that grows as a result of the alcohol evaporating from the rickhouses (beam, heaven hill, willett).
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Posted 06 November 2015 - 08:07 PM

Dutch, total wine in Atlanta has a bunch of MWND on the shelf right now. go get a bottle and tell me how it is.
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