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#3281 iBeaver

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 11:31 AM

View Postmrdannyg, on 20 January 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

So the Republicans wonít even negotiate for something that 70%+ of Americans want until the Dems agree to something 25% want. And that very popular hasnít already been agreed to by a bipartisan committee before Trump rejected, them by Trump himself before his advisors convinced him to go back on his word.

Iíd say the Rs would never recover from this politically (before 2020), except of course 2/3 of Americans will turn on their TVs tonight to see Fox or Sinclair selling it as the ĎSchumer Shutdowní and questioning the safety of Americans despite an unaffected military. The degree to which Americans are purposely misinformed by the Republicans and their major organizations (Fox and NRA) would not be out of place in a dictatorship.

23% of Americans watch FOX. Not 66.

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 06:14 PM

View PostiBeaver, on 20 January 2018 - 11:31 AM, said:



23% of Americans watch FOX. Not 66.

Iíve seen more like 40%. And thatís only whatever percent of national news - donít underestimate Sinclair, which controls most local news broadcasts.
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Posted 21 January 2018 - 05:24 AM

View Postmrdannyg, on 20 January 2018 - 06:14 PM, said:



Iíve seen more like 40%. And thatís only whatever percent of national news - donít underestimate Sinclair, which controls most local news broadcasts.

I've yet to find that number but for the sake of argument, ok, 40%. Still not 2/3rds.

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 05:59 AM

 iBeaver, on 21 January 2018 - 05:24 AM, said:

I've yet to find that number but for the sake of argument, ok, 40%. Still not 2/3rds.

I'm guessing it's apples and oranges you guys are talking about and I don't mean cheeto colored Presidents. It's probably 40% of cable news viewers watch Fox.
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Posted 22 January 2018 - 03:54 PM

Yeah, 40% of cable news viewers regularly watch Fox is what I was saying. And estimating that 2/3 to include people who watch their local broadcast either with or instead of cable (which is more concerning, since I would guess most people think of their local broadcasts as independent of national politics, when the majority are Sinclair owned and have some very conservative stuff mixed in with the ďrealĒ local content.
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Posted 08 February 2018 - 03:45 AM

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 05:10 PM

I am very disturbed by a recent discovery that, with each mass murder, I am becoming more and more apathetic. I never thought I would be like this, but at some point, maybe you just give up on people, or in this case, a whole fcking country..

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 05:26 PM

 MapleLeafpoker, on 15 February 2018 - 05:10 PM, said:

I am very disturbed by a recent discovery that, with each mass murder, I am becoming more and more apathetic. I never thought I would be like this, but at some point, maybe you just give up on people, or in this case, a whole fcking country..

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 05:43 PM

I used to be apathetic. Now I'm super super angry every time.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 05:57 PM

 iBeaver, on 15 February 2018 - 05:43 PM, said:

I used to be apathetic. Now I'm super super angry every time.

in my 20's, Id get angry and feel a call to action, get involved in diff groups
in my 30's, got angry and then more angry, then bitched with others while doing nothing about it
in my 40's....eh, is there a hockey game on to take my mind off this crap?

luckily, Bob's T+P will fix this for me. Serenity now,, serenity now...

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 05:58 PM

Also, nothing is more depressing than looking over the mentions and comments on social media like twitter. o dear god there are so many idiots out there its not even a little funny anymore.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 07:04 PM

Iím apathetic when itís yet another right-wing white guy with a military background because those people still supporting Trump are so immune to basic consideration, discussion and reason that itís hopeless.

I get angry when itís the extremely rare black person (cops need more guns!), a Latino (build the wall!), a Muslim (stop immigration!) or a left-winger (Democrats are the real Nazis!) because the hypocrisy is just too painful. Even though of course in those cases it is almost exclusively a male with legal status and a history of domestic violence and military service.
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:35 PM

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I'm apathetic when it's yet another right-wing white guy with a military background because those people still supporting Trump are so immune to basic consideration, discussion and reason that it's hopeless.

I get angry when it's the extremely rare black person (cops need more guns!), a Latino (build the wall!), a Muslim (stop immigration!) or a left-winger (Democrats are the real Nazis!) because the hypocrisy is just too painful. Even though of course in those cases it is almost exclusively a male with legal status and a history of domestic violence and military service.

Your right Danny. Its so simple. You checked all the boxes
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Posted 16 February 2018 - 11:33 AM

View PostUntilted, on 15 February 2018 - 09:35 PM, said:



Your right Danny. Its so simple. You checked all the boxes

I think you misunderstand me - Iím saying To hear Republican leaders talk about it, thatís what it comes down to and our only hope is prayer and maybe more guns.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:12 PM

I saw that on twitter, and found it interesting, and quite frankly, hard to refute if you think about just the facts, and not your personal bias.

That said, I'm thinking its probably not just a gun issue. And I fear that such shootings might be in Canada sooner than anyone would want. But at this point, I'm at a loss to explain why these happen in the US, and pretty much nowhere else in the world.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 09:04 PM

Where else in the world can you walk into a store and walk out with an automatic weapon some 20 minutes later?

I'm more convinced by the story from Australia, I believe, where they had a high profile mass shooting like 30 years ago, immediately reformed and tightened gun control, and haven't had a mass shooting since.

The thing that scares me though, is I think you're right about this shit coming to Canada. Maybe not the shootings, but the other shit. The hatred of immigrants, the overt racism, shit like that. The fringes of the PC parties are already trying to copy Trump's playbook and it feels like it's becoming more and more accepted and mainstream. Like, we ****ing see how disastrous it is there, but people are still trying to copy it. I do have some faith that, as a society, we can learn from the debacle going on in the once great nation to the south. But I fear the divisive politics and whatever power and greed that feeds them will be difficult to overcome.
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Posted 22 February 2018 - 08:21 AM

I'm pretty sure its way too late to pull off any kind of Australia type change. No way people are going to give it up in the US without some kind of 'revolution'.
I'd be curious to know how many mass shootings they had in Australia, because the narrative has always been that they had 1 and then changed everything. Maybe the 1 was more an exception than the rule.

Divisive politics, divisive nature within many people....its already here. Not like it is in the US, where there's a line drawn and no one believes a word the other side says, but its slowly trickling here. Its sad, how little people need to pick a side and defend it no matter what, against anyone who dare seem to be on other side. The anger is beyond belief.

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 08:23 AM

View PostMapleLeafpoker, on 22 February 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure its way too late to pull off any kind of Australia type change. No way people are going to give it up in the US without some kind of 'revolution'.
I'd be curious to know how many mass shootings they had in Australia, because the narrative has always been that they had 1 and then changed everything. Maybe the 1 was more an exception than the rule.

before 1996 they had 13 mass shootings in 18 years

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 08:33 AM

View PostZach6668, on 21 February 2018 - 09:04 PM, said:

Where else in the world can you walk into a store and walk out with an automatic weapon some 20 minutes later?

I'm more convinced by the story from Australia, I believe, where they had a high profile mass shooting like 30 years ago, immediately reformed and tightened gun control, and haven't had a mass shooting since.

The thing that scares me though, is I think you're right about this shit coming to Canada. Maybe not the shootings, but the other shit. The hatred of immigrants, the overt racism, shit like that. The fringes of the PC parties are already trying to copy Trump's playbook and it feels like it's becoming more and more accepted and mainstream. Like, we ****ing see how disastrous it is there, but people are still trying to copy it. I do have some faith that, as a society, we can learn from the debacle going on in the once great nation to the south. But I fear the divisive politics and whatever power and greed that feeds them will be difficult to overcome.

While I dont necessarily disagree with what you are saying. The notion that you can walk into a store and walk out with an automatic weapon in 20 minutes later is the farthest thing from the truth...Especially in a state like California.

Actually I believe Assault weapons are banned for purchase in California.

There are waiting periods, licenses, courses...Certain individuals with criminal records, mental issues cant buy guns is my understanding...I could be wrong but buying a gun in California might be more difficult than buying one in Canada..Certain guns anyways..

There are multitude of rules and legislations in every state though...

While I lean conservative with most of my political beliefs, banning guns, especially assault weapons is a no brainer IMO..Lot of my conservative friends dont agree...

When I lived in Canada, I thought you could walk into a Walmart in the US and buy a gun..Its nowhere near reality from what I have learnt..FWIW I cant buy a gun regardless, as I am not a citizen.

That doesnt mean i cant buy a gun illegally..I m sure I can..Just like if I wanted to I can go buy some cocaine, without much effort..

The gun debate is a lot tougher one then it would seem..I am all for banning them, but is that going to change the problem overnight? I m not sure...
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