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#3141 iBeaver

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Posted 06 June 2017 - 11:34 AM

And look at that, us selling arms to SA was fake news.

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Posted 10 July 2017 - 03:03 PM

We're not talking about this because we all agree, right?

https://www.thestar....l-paradkar.html
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Posted 10 July 2017 - 03:55 PM

View Postdigitalmonkey, on 10 July 2017 - 03:03 PM, said:

We're not talking about this because we all agree, right?

https://www.thestar....l-paradkar.html

what does Canada owe to the teenage child of a terrorist family who while born in Canada has spent most of his life outside the country and is actively fighting against "our" side ?

I feel for him in that he wasn't given a choice based on who his Father was but the fact is that he was an enemy combatant fighting against us. Also a fact was that he was a child who should have been treated differently than an adult once captured.

I think they should have let the courts decide the amount of compensation if any he deserves.
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Posted 10 July 2017 - 04:18 PM

I honestly dont know what to think on this one. Bob mentioned quite a few of the issues I have with this, on both sides of the argument.
There is also a lot I dont know about him+his case, so I wont make a big to do about it either way. It would just be uneducated opinions.

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Posted 10 July 2017 - 05:34 PM

View Postdigitalmonkey, on 10 July 2017 - 03:03 PM, said:

We're not talking about this because we all agree, right?

https://www.thestar....l-paradkar.html

OK. I will bite. Im certainly simplifying how I feel because it is not black or white
but I don't agree.
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Posted 10 July 2017 - 06:34 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on 10 July 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

what does Canada owe to the teenage child of a terrorist family who while born in Canada has spent most of his life outside the country and is actively fighting against "our" side ?

I feel for him in that he wasn't given a choice based on who his Father was but the fact is that he was an enemy combatant fighting against us. Also a fact was that he was a child who should have been treated differently than an adult once captured.

I think they should have let the courts decide the amount of compensation if any he deserves.

He was a kid who follow his father's wishes. Unfortunately got tangled into an extremely ugly mess. However, I believe he relinqish his rights as a Canadian once you start fighting with ISIS.

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 05:04 AM

https://www.thestar....l-paradkar.html

This just shows it's more complicated than we are think. In this age of extremely partisan politics, I think we are losing our ability to see gray. It's too often black and white, even when it's not.
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Posted 11 July 2017 - 07:12 AM

I don't know how complicit Canada was in his treatment at Guantanamo Bay, I don't really know how Guantanamo bay works/worked to be honest, but there is a precedent in the past for "home" countries paying settlements for mistreatments there (UK and Australia I believe?)

I don't think child soldiers should be held responsible for their actions or be treated as adults when captured. Sounds like some pretty horrible things were done to him, and no amount of money is going to fix that. Should Canada be paying? I don't know, or really care, but I think it's fair that he is getting paid. If the precedent is for Canada to pay him, that's fine. 10.5M is nothing. doesn't affect me, or anyone other citizen in this country.

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 10:37 AM

I haven't read the article but probably agree with it. I disagree with bob. I don't know how you can consider someone who was imprisoned in a torture facility for his entire adult life an "enemy combatant".
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Posted 11 July 2017 - 10:52 AM

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 12:28 PM

View Postmrdannyg, on 11 July 2017 - 10:37 AM, said:

I haven't read the article but probably agree with it. I disagree with bob. I don't know how you can consider someone who was imprisoned in a torture facility for his entire adult life an "enemy combatant".

what makes him an enemy combantant was that he was fighting with our enemy in combat against us. He was a child soldier in combat.
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Posted 11 July 2017 - 12:51 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on 11 July 2017 - 12:28 PM, said:



what makes him an enemy combantant was that he was fighting with our enemy in combat against us. He was a child soldier in combat.

If "enemy combatant" has a legal definition, I'm guessing a 9-year old doesn't qualify under it.

And it's not normal or legal to hold enemy combatants who have no useful information indefinitely without trial in foreign torture jails, especially when they are well below adulthood.
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Posted 11 July 2017 - 12:55 PM

View Postmrdannyg, on 11 July 2017 - 12:51 PM, said:

If "enemy combatant" has a legal definition, I'm guessing a 9-year old doesn't qualify under it.

And it's not normal or legal to hold enemy combatants who have no useful information indefinitely without trial in foreign torture jails, especially when they are well below adulthood.

huh ? He was 15 at the time he was captured.
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Posted 11 July 2017 - 01:05 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on 11 July 2017 - 12:55 PM, said:



huh ? He was 15 at the time he was captured.

15 is still a child. What was he doing between the ages of 9 and 15?
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Posted 11 July 2017 - 01:07 PM

I'd like to know what Patty Hearst thinks.
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Posted 11 July 2017 - 01:13 PM

"Anybody out there have an 8-year-old child? One of mine is 9. You know and I know that itís an age when kids adore their fathers and try to please them. Why would we think that such a child, exposed by his father to violent ideologies, was old enough to have known better by age 15? With that grooming, that child would have no chance."

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 01:26 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on 11 July 2017 - 12:55 PM, said:



huh ? He was 15 at the time he was captured.

He should be tried as an adult

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 02:43 PM

do you think he even had an opportunity to say no at any point? I'm not sure if you are being serious or not Wayne but I couldn't disagree more.



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Posted 11 July 2017 - 03:20 PM

View PostDubey, on 11 July 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

do you think he even had an opportunity to say no at any point? I'm not sure if you are being serious or not Wayne but I couldn't disagree more.

That is fine but imo he is held accountable for his actions. Sad that it is in his awful world and to have a dad like that


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Posted 11 July 2017 - 03:44 PM

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