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#61 brvheart

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 09:28 AM

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Obama says he will close Gitmo about 100 times in a compilation video.

Cane says it's the GOP's fault

brvheart reminds Cane that the dems had total control of congress until 2011.

Cane says it's still not Obama's fault, but weak dems in congress.

brvheart posts 60 minutes interview where he specifically says he will use an executive order to close Gitmo immediately after taking office.

Cane says he wants me to tell him my thoughts, since Obama's own words destroyed his point.

Cane is currently constructing his new defense of Obama, which Obama will then disagree with, from video in 2007.

View PostiZuma, on 20 August 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 10:30 AM

any time a candidate says that the first thing they will do once in office is (insert pandering promise here) they will almost always be lying because they either can't do that thing because it isn't in their power or they will find out that there's a reason that thing is being done whether it's closing Gitmo, bringing the boys home from War, making gas $2.50 per gallon or repealing the Affordable Care Act.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 10:39 AM

But he can do it, and it was/is in his power.

View PostiZuma, on 20 August 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

View PostEssay21, on 25 February 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 10:52 AM

I said it was Congress's fault. You are so hyper partisan, you just assumed I meant the GOP. That's on you, buddy boy.

All the congressmen wussed out including the Dems. That's not on Obama. Good try.

He wanted to transport the gitmo prisoners to the USA. Congress said no. He's not a king. He can pass all the exec orders he wants but if he can't find a state willing to house them, he's sol. He can't make Montana take them. He's not a king.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 10:58 AM

View Postbrvheart, on 12 September 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

But he can do it, and it was/is in his power.

Nope. Three branches of govt. might want to pay more attention in civics next time. The president can do a lot but he can't make a state take X number of prisoners without consent especially when congress passes a bill blocking any attempted transfer. I understand that you want to blame Obama for everything bc that's what Fox News says to do. But a basic understanding of the constitution would help you out here.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 12:47 PM

View PostNickCave, on 12 September 2013 - 03:49 AM, said:

"You do what you want and you **** people up who won't let you. Then you can do what you want later. They key is be really good at just doing what you want and not giving a shit. Obama wasn't OBAMA until he hooked up with one of Daley's guys. In 2000 he was losing congressional races. By 2012 he was strongarming the IRS because he's a boss, and in Chicago that is all that matters. It's not a values thing or an ethics thing. It's just the way things are. We expect this stuff. Obama is a brilliant man, an eloquent speaker, and a well qualified politician. Nobody here took him seriously until he stopped trying to be "better" than Chicago. Either you're a Boss or you're a fag. Obama is just USA Boss now."

MAKES PERFECT SENSE

It's basically all true.

For a long time, the best way to get a city job was to buy one.
Yep, that's right. Buy it. A decent 60K a year blue collar gig was going for about 30K up front.
Administrative and white collar stuff, 75K-100K.. and just how, exactly, does one "buy" a city job? If you're a long time Chicagoan, you know.

For ****s sake, our old-school Alderman had their own personal, on-staff HIT MEN.
Eddie Vrdolyak, who they eventually nailed for some bullshit 'bribery' case, had Joe Sallas, now serving in a Florida prison for killing a man mistakenly believed to be a police officer who had pulled over a couple dirty Chicago Cops smuggling 400 pounds of Marijuana down south. The cops overwhelmed him but didn't have the stones to kill him, so they left him alive. When word got back to 'whoever was in charge' up in Chciago, the hit went out and Joe Sallas went down to finish the job. Unfortunately, he got the wrong man and got caught.

Read about it here.
http://www.ipsn.org/vrdolyak.html

He was suspected in a half dozen other murders, probably at the behest of his 'political sponsor'.

When a neighborhood paper wrote a mean-spirited column about Eddie, someone reportedly tried to whack the editor in the parking lot with a fire ax, who barely escaped.

In the old days, things were surreally corrupt. It's a bit different now, they can't get away with the hardcore Soviet shit like they used to. The US Attorney's Office basically has a dedicated "Chicago Politician" unit whose only reason for existing is to ensnare dirty city politicos (most recently, Jesse Jackson Jr) That quited things down a good bit, but 'the Chicago Way' remains in full effect. It's basically the exact same mentality cops have with one another, the 'code' and very legitimate reprisals if one breaches it, but extended to politicis.

People totally cannot even begin to understand this. Most cities and towns have political offices filled with cling-on bureaucrats and impotent little turds, quarreling over municipal pedantry and fearing getting sued. In Chicago? Our politicians will HAVE YOU ****ING KILLED.

There is, however, a gigantic flip side.

When a long time neighborhood resident, frustrated with a drug house down the block that was owned by an out-of-city landlord, went into Alderman Vrdolyak's East Side office and requested he talk to the cops and have them investigate, they didn't just investigate. They promptly performed a full raid, arrested all parties, then had code go in there and positively decimate the landlord with citations. Drug acvitity in his ward was beaten deep, deep into the undergroud since he had no tollerance whatsoever for people endangering or lowering the quality of life of 'his people' in the 10th ward.

When the woodwork shop at the community center needed a new lathe because their old one was worn out and someone went to Eddie to apply for a community garage sale permit so they could raise the funds, new lathes (plural) started raining from the sky... and new jigsaws, a brand new bandsaw, workbenches, hand tools...

If you had any sort of legitimate problem- sewer, sidewalks, in need of police service, funding community events- the guy was like a benevolant king who listened to anyone who requested to be heard and did his level best to make shit right.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 03:46 PM

I could read those posts all day long.

View PostiZuma, on 20 August 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 04:51 PM

yeah, that was really good
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Posted 13 September 2013 - 11:39 AM

Yeah enjoyable post to read but **** Chicago and the Chicago way.

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 11:34 AM

View PostAmScray, on 11 September 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

IMO, Kerry's comment was disposable and rhetorical.
The fact that they basically snap-called a comically bullshit proposal demonstrates that they know we are absolutely serious and there will be no chest puffing about how unafraid they are (because a puffed chest just makes a bigger target for the drones)

Syria is critical to Russia for many different reasons.
http://en.wikipedia....Syria_relations

Putin is in bed with Assad but Putin, unlike Assad, realizes that we are dead ****ing serious about removing Assad from this world if he gasses innocent people. Assad suffers from crappy little dictator superiority syndrome. His enjoyment being king of his bubble has caused him to lose perspective of just how easy his bubble would be to pop should he piss the wrong people off, which he has now done. He will not 'win' this. At this point, the best they can do is save face. As with Kennedy in Cuba, Russia was the key player here, they just blinked and Obama made them do it.

You mindless conservative ideaogues can chant your stupid mantras all you want but Obama is knocking shit out of the park left and right.
Health care, Bin Laden, Syria, economic recovery... Fox News talking points do nothing to undermine conclusions drawn from objective analysis on each of those issues.

His presidency compared to that of Bush is a spectacular embarassment for you clowns. Were it not for his apathy on reigning in domestic spying and shoring up privacy rights- also, on a more personal note, kind of appaled that he's used his executive clemency powers less than any other president in history, when there are more people than ever in need of post conviction relief given the ridiculous expansion of Federal prosecutions over the past 20 years- I'd say he would go down as an All Time Top 5 President.
He's a stone-cold lock for Top 10.

That was uhhh, really good. I mean really really good.
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