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#21 Var1ance

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 12:02 PM

Where are you playing ? And I think a pre call here is still a no brainer... Didn't even think that was still up for discussion.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 02:17 PM

the guy 9xed pre. don't think it's a "no-brainer"

View Postakashenk, on 02 August 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

I don't mind folding out hands we beat.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:00 PM

It's a cash game with 4 players in there, to much money to hit your set - which you did. Check-raise the flop, it shows really good strength especially with that board texture. Sure, you want to extract value - but I think 135 + 270 in a 1-2 hand against 4 players for a pair of 6's in this pot is pretty decent value. Not to mention with that board texture, it becomes less about value at this point but more against protecting a very vulnerable hand. He may or may not have called - you'll never know - but the best thing in poker is to put your opponents to the test every step of the way. Make them sweat the rough and tough decisions. Once you make it anywhere between 360-500 you're showing a lot of strength and you're putting them to the test and all you have to do is sit back and know that unless they snap call, you're way ahead. It's always best if you're the one putting everybody to the test and not the one having to make the tough decisions. Aggressive is the way to go - especially with this board texture.

Now, on a 6 K 9 board texture, I'm all for just flatting and then leading out on the turn, especially if a K or a 9 hits. Your hand is definitely well hidden and you're going to get paid off unless they boat up on the river (but hey, all you can do is play your best and let the cards do the rest).
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#24 Var1ance

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 06:42 PM

He 9x the bb, but hero has 240bbs... And is already in for a blind. 8 bb to potentially win 36bb plus action after the flop. Great post above me.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 09:06 AM

Too many people on draws in the hand on the flop. So I still think the smart play is to check raise the flop. That way you get most of the draws out and maybe someone with 2 pair, top top, nut flush or pair with a draw calls you. Dead money adds up in a good session.

If players are steaming or tilting it has been my experience they will often call your check raise with a lot of sub par hands. I see your reasoning as being more acceptable if it was heads up.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 12:08 PM

Again, I don't think calling here is terribe or anything, but it is something that needs to be considered seeing that his sizing is so much.

But flatting the flop is just horrible w how much is in the pot, the action, and the board texture
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Posted 14 June 2013 - 03:05 PM

I'm in Vegas now for a couple weeks and only have my phone for internet... So posting slides... I think the play of the games are too hard to describe for context in the forum where play is being compared to a much different standard of table play.
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Posted 15 June 2013 - 09:26 AM

Then don't post a strategy hand. It is something that happens a ton; someone posts a hand, people say that they played it poorly, and then defend themselves by saying "well, there are table dynamics and you just don't understand these players." If you truly wanted advice about the hand, you should be more open about it and not trying to defend your play. Flattens the flop is a horrendous play and needs to be stated as such. Your description of the villain makes it where raising/getting it in on the flop is gonna be the best line all the time. So please, don't hide behind the "you don't understand this game" argument.

And I don't mean to just point you out,you seem to want to get better and everything but it is a problem that this forum has a lot.
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Posted 15 June 2013 - 12:47 PM

Lol whoa... This isn't a I didn't get the answer I want so I'm taking my bat home kind of thing... I've been trying to be active on this forum and helping in the strategy section.

There's been a couple of times at the live game that the good players have laughed at the idea of posting hands from our casino on a strategy board and blowing peoples minds.

The reason I posted was for info on the line I took when a player I respect says he'd take a more active line...

I did hear that everyone says ship the flop and I've taken it into consideration... But there are other responses here yours included talking about the preflop raise sizing etc...

All I'm saying is that my casino game plays insanely different than the american standard games that I've experienced...

I appreciate the feedback regardless... If I tell you that I am 100% sure the maniac had a draw on the flop and would y fold if I shipped... But if he missed his draw he would still go all in bluff the river... 100% sure... Does it affect your line? If it doesn't it should...

Now I'm not 100% sure... But I was like 90% sure... And when the turn came I was 100% sure he hit.
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Posted 15 June 2013 - 06:33 PM

Still waiting to hear where you play ?

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 02:05 PM

if it were me, I would probably raise big on the flop.. maybe even all in. I know you're giving up some value, so by the book, this may not be an optimal play. But the problem you have is you are out of position on a draw heavy board. Heads up against a flush draw, or an open-ender, or even some combo draw you are in decent shape, so in that case, it might make sense to slow things down and try to get maximum value out of the hand. But against so many other players, if you are up against more than one draw, then there are lots of cards that can hit the turn and counterfeit you. Even if you aren't up against draws, the turn could be scary and cause you to fold the best hand, which might be the biggest mistake you can make in this situation. Anyhow, if I were in your shoes I'd be happy to end the hand right there on the flop and collect my ~$400. There will be times when you run into a set over set or a flopped straight. You just have to deal with those and move on. I like your logic for checking the flop, but once you get the result you were looking for, put an end to it.




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