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#21 serge

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:22 PM

I m a bit like Arp as things I notice more. Back in the day(and still among certain people) I used the term gay a lot.

We use to say " that show is gay, that team is gay". I'm sure you all do it or did. But now I still think I use the term occasionally but definitely not in front my kids and strangers. It's a bad term that I embarrassed I do use occasionally
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:32 PM

I don't personally get offended by things.

I usually just classify things as thoughtful or stupid. I understand why some things that are stupid can also offend some people. If something is thoughtful and it offends somebody I probably won't think negatively about it because one person's freedom to not be offended doesn't override another person's freedom of expression or thought.

When somebody says or does something stupid and "offensive" I just use that as one more thing to consider in how I think about a person's makeup, intellect and character.
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:34 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on 06 May 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:

I don't personally get offended by things.

I usually just classify things as thoughtful or stupid. I understand why some things that are stupid can also offend some people. If something is thoughtful and it offends somebody I probably won't think negatively about it because one person's freedom to not be offended doesn't override another person's freedom of expression or thought.

When somebody says or does something stupid and "offensive" I just use that as one more thing to consider in how I think about a person's makeup, intellect and character.

This is a perfectly stated indication of how I feel. Nicely put Bob.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:34 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on 06 May 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:

I don't personally get offended by things.

I usually just classify things as thoughtful or stupid. I understand why some things that are stupid can also offend some people. If something is thoughtful and it offends somebody I probably won't think negatively about it because one person's freedom to not be offended doesn't override another person's freedom of expression or thought.

When somebody says or does something stupid and "offensive" I just use that as one more thing to consider in how I think about a person's makeup, intellect and character.

To add to the above there are things that are appropriate or inappropriate depending on the circumstances and somebody doing something that is inappropriate for the situation can get me pissed off.
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:36 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on 06 May 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:

When somebody says or does something stupid and "offensive" I just use that as one more thing to consider in how I think about a person's makeup, intellect and character.

If it was a friend/acquantince of yours, would you consider it your "duty" to say something.

I couldnt come up with a better word then duty. What I guess Im asking is, if someone you knew was sprouting off homophobic/sexist/racist things, would you tell them how you felt, and ask them to consider the ramifications of their actions?
I find Im also conflicted with when I can ignore, and when I need to change the world for what I think is the better.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:40 PM

View PostMapleLeafpoker, on 06 May 2013 - 12:36 PM, said:

If it was a friend/acquantince of yours, would you consider it your "duty" to say something.

I couldnt come up with a better word then duty. What I guess Im asking is, if someone you knew was sprouting off homophobic/sexist/racist things, would you tell them how you felt, and ask them to consider the ramifications of their actions?
I find Im also conflicted with when I can ignore, and when I need to change the world for what I think is the better.

It really depends on if I think that person understands their actions and are open to being told that what they are doing is inappropriate.

I have mentioned to more than a few people that using retarded or Gay the way they do in casual conversation isn't a very smart thing to do but in those cases it's because I thought they didn't really understand how a lot of others will view them and they weren't trying to be malicious.
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:22 PM

being a honorary fag alot of you would be surprised what offends the majority of gay guys and what doesn't.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:25 AM

View PostMapleLeafpoker, on 06 May 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

A friend sends a mass email out, its about the Super Bowl, before the game. It shows the following.

Caption: The difference between Baltimore and San Francisco fans:

Picture on left: Hot chick in a Baltimore Ravens jersey, flashing her tits

Picture on right: Two guys kissing in SF jerseys


Offensive, or just humour, good/bad? One of my pools is having quite the argument about it, and I'm curious to hear what you guys think as sports fans.

I'm not even really 'offended' by it in any significant way. It is offensive, in that it is saying something negative about a group (implication that being gay is bad), while also not being clever or funny. To be clear, it has to be both of those things to be offensive. If something is negative about a group, but is clever and not malicious, I'm fine with that.

View Postajs510, on 06 May 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

I think trying to be too PC is a useless exercise, personally. No matter what you do or how careful you try to be, people are still going to get offended because at the end of the day, some people just really like to get butthurt about issues (see what I did there?) Trying too hard not to offend anyone will inevitably end up in you having nothing at all to say, and shutting down personal opinion, conversation and healthy argument isn't good for anyone or anything.

I'm always sensitive to stuff like this, because the people who complain about others being 'too PC' are usually the ones who are saying thoughtless and/or unfunny things without considering for the effect it has on others. I won't pretend the world isn't too PC these days, but the majority of time that is being said, there is a very good reason for it.

Like Bob said, it is pretty difficult to offend me. But I also try to be aware of what might offend other people, because it is often difficult for the offended group to speak up.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:27 AM

View Postpezeveng, on 06 May 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

being a honorary fag alot of you would be surprised what offends the majority of gay guys and what doesn't.

1) Funny
2) Not malicious
3) Says something where the 'negative' comment is actually required for the joke
4) "negative" comment said directly, and not implied

You don't need all 4 of those things to be funny and not offensive, but it's a good sign if you have them.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:33 AM

Along the same lines:

Do you guys find the term Toronto Stronger offensive?

Someone had a sign yesterday with this logo..

It is of course in reference to Boston Strong as that city came together in the aftermath of the tragedy.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:40 AM

View Postserge, on 07 May 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:

Along the same lines:

Do you guys find the term Toronto Stronger offensive?

Someone had a sign yesterday with this logo..

It is of course in reference to Boston Strong as that city came together in the aftermath of the tragedy.

Didn't offend me...I just figure he's an insensitive ******* or too stupid or ignorant to realize the idiocy of his sign.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:43 AM

View Postdigitalmonkey, on 07 May 2013 - 05:40 AM, said:

Didn't offend me...I just figure he's an insensitive ******* or too stupid or ignorant to realize the idiocy of his sign.

I felt similarly..While I wasnt outraged or offended per se, I would NEVER consider playing that angle.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:46 AM

View Postserge, on 07 May 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:

Do you guys find the term Toronto Stronger offensive?

Personally I thought it was tasteless... I'm sure people from Boston/victims would find it's offensive.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:42 AM

Tasteless, insensitive, stupid for sure. Not sure it is insulting enough to be offensive, per se, but if someone thought that it was minimizing what had happened in Boston and therefore was offensive, I certainly wouldn't argue. If someone wanted to punch that guy in the chest, I'd have no problem with that.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:44 AM

View Postmrdannyg, on 07 May 2013 - 04:25 AM, said:

If something is negative about a group, but is clever and not malicious, I'm fine with that.

I dont know how you know its malicious vs not malicious, especially when its someone you dont very well.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:44 AM

View PostMapleLeafpoker, on 07 May 2013 - 06:44 AM, said:

I dont know how you know its malicious vs not malicious, especially when its someone you dont very well.

We usually don't!
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:46 AM

View PostFenxis, on 07 May 2013 - 05:46 AM, said:

Personally I thought it was tasteless... I'm sure people from Boston/victims would find it's offensive.

I agree.

Although its hard for me to define, I think was offended by it too, though I have no connections to Boston or the people killed/injured. Im offended for them. Like, shouldnt people know better? It wasnt some 18yr old kid, the guy looked like he was 40. What the fck is the matter with you?

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:02 AM

View PostMapleLeafpoker, on 07 May 2013 - 06:46 AM, said:

I agree.

Although its hard for me to define, I think was offended by it too, though I have no connections to Boston or the people killed/injured. Im offended for them. Like, shouldnt people know better? It wasnt some 18yr old kid, the guy looked like he was 40. What the fck is the matter with you?

People are going to be stupid...I think we come a long way from the days of "Buy a Porsche Potvin, buy a Porsche"

For those that arent old enough to remember...Flyers goalie Pelle Lindbergh was killed in a car crash after crashing his Porsche while driving drunk....The crowd at MSG decided to start this chant because of the rivalry with the Islanders and Denis Potvin.

How offensive and tasteless was that? We have come a long way.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:27 AM

That's actually a pretty good example of how I deal with offensive issues. I read Serge's post and was kind of pissed, for about 10 seconds. Then I got over it, because it happened a long time ago, it's long since been moved past, and it had no direct effect on my life whatsoever. I do think those Rangers fans should be utterly ashamed of themselves, but they're probably the same guys heckling Red Sox fans to this very day.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:48 AM

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