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Poll: HOF 2013 (15 member(s) have cast votes)

Who would you vote for? Choose up to 10.

  1. Jack Morris (7 votes [5.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.83%

  2. Jeff Bagwell (10 votes [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  3. Lee Smith (3 votes [2.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.50%

  4. Tim Raines (10 votes [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  5. Alan Trammell (3 votes [2.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.50%

  6. Edgar Martinez (8 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  7. Fred McGriff (2 votes [1.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.67%

  8. Larry Walker (1 votes [0.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.83%

  9. Mark McGwire (6 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  10. Don Mattingly (3 votes [2.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.50%

  11. Dale Murphy (2 votes [1.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.67%

  12. Rafael Palmeiro (1 votes [0.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.83%

  13. Bernie Williams (1 votes [0.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.83%

  14. Craig Biggio (10 votes [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  15. Barry Bonds (12 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  16. Roger Clemens (12 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  17. Kenny Lofton (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  18. Mike Piazza (13 votes [10.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.83%

  19. Curt Schilling (11 votes [9.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.17%

  20. Sammy Sosa (5 votes [4.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.17%

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#1 timwakefield

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:41 PM

I know that they announce the results in like a few hours, but it can still be discussed and debated long after we know them. I probably should have made this poll a week ago, but what can you do.

Definitely one of the most interesting voting years ever, with an incredibly stacked pool, and the first year of eligibility for two of the greatest players ever to play the game, or two of the biggest cheaters ever to play the game, or somewhere in the middle, depending on how you feel about it. Also Sammy Sosa's first year. Then of course there's the left over roiders from last year - Palmeiro and McGwire - who would be mortal locks to get in if it weren't for steroids.

Even if the whole steroids thing had never happened it would be a very interesting year, with good cases for and against guys like Curt Schilling, Edgar Martinez, Lee Smith, and Tim Raines.

It's also the last year of eligibility for Dale Murphy, who has many vocal supporters but will need something like a miracle to get in, and the second to last year for Jack Morris, who has far more supporters than Murphy and is the subject of many interesting debates and statistical analyses.

I didn't include the entire ballot, but I included anybody who I thought would garner any amount consideration. So Kenny Lofton is included in the poll, but guys like Royce Clayton are not. David Wells and Julio Franco just missed. I probably would have included them actually, but 20 is the max number of choices the forum allows.

I copied the names from Wikipedia, and I believe that they are listed by who got the most votes last year down to the least (but still remain eligible with at least 5% on last year's vote), with this year's new choices listed alphabetically starting at Biggio.
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#2 timwakefield

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:35 PM

This is unrelated to the HOF but is something awesome that I just figured out by accident. On baseball-reference, on a player's stats page, if you click on the stats for one year and then click on the stats for another year it automatically combines the stats for those years and all the years in between.

So, for example, if you're feeling nostalgic for Pedro Martinez and wish he was getting elected this year and want to check out his peak years, on his player page you click on his stats for 1997 and then click on his stats for 2003 and you see that in those 7 years he went 118-36 with a 2.20 ERA, a 0.94 WHIP, and a ludicrous 213 ERA+.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:37 AM

Morris, Raines, Bonds and Clemens
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:47 AM

View Posttimwakefield, on 08 January 2013 - 10:41 PM, said:

It's also the last year of eligibility for Dale Murphy

Wait, what? I thought some dude from the early 1900's got in a few years back. Why would eligibility expire!? Who cares if any sportswriter live didn't actually see the guy play? We will always have the particular player's stats and be able to compare those stats with those of his peers. Hell, from here on out, we are going have video of every game ever played.

View PostiZuma, on 20 August 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

View PostEssay21, on 25 February 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:34 AM

View Postbrvheart, on 09 January 2013 - 06:47 AM, said:

Why would eligibility expire!?

Because if it didn't, the ballot would be a thousand pages.

I don't know if they still have it, but a lot of old guys got in by "veteran's committee." Basically a bunch of old former players who voted in their friends and is the main reason for a bunch of unworthy players in the hall.

I voted for:

Bagwell, Raines, Edgar, McGwire, Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Schilling, Sosa

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:04 AM

Eligibility expires after 15 years, and also you have to get at least 5% support each year or you drop off the ballot.

The Veteran's Committee is totally still around and elects players and managers and even announcers and people like that I think. Getting in by Veteran's Committee after being denied by the general vote is, I think, a bit less of an honor than getting in your first time round, but I'm sure nobody involved in the process would admit that.

I voted for: Morris, Smith, Raines, Martinez, Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Schilling. I should have voted for Bagwell, and I'm not sure why I didn't.

Incidentally, despite an incredibly stacked ballot, zero people got elected. Biggio came very close and almost certainly gets in next year, since there are a lot of crazy voters who do things like differentiate between "first ballot HOFers" and guys who don't deserve that first ballot honor, and some of them surely omitted Biggio this year for not being first ballot material.
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#7 Ron_Mexico

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:12 PM

Clemens
Bonds
Piazza
Raines
Morris
Bagwell
Biggio
Smith
Martinez
McGwire


And I love Don Mattingly. Favorite player ever. He'll, my ATM PIN has 23 in it. But he was cut short. 84-86 there was nobody better



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#8 Whiskers

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:14 PM

People voting for Morris,

Why?

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:43 PM

only two obvious choices. piazza would get my vote too.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:47 PM

10 Inning World Series yo

And he was a workhorse, lots of wins, etc. not a sabermatricians dream player, but great for his era. I'm saying all this without looking up any stats

I wouldn't argue too hard for his inclusion
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:49 PM

View PostSuitedAces21, on 09 January 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

only two obvious choices. piazza would get my vote too.

Did you just say Morris is one of two obvious choices?


Jack Morris would have the highest ERA of any pitcher in the Hall. That's not super advanced stats or anything.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:51 PM

obviously not.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:20 PM

Yeah I'm not sure Morris should get in either, I just kind of like him so I voted for him. But looking now, his stats are way worse than I'd remembered.

Now I don't understand why he's so close to 75%. He doesn't even really have any arbitrary milestones like 3000 Ks. 254 wins is a lot but it certainly doesn't make you a lock, especially with 186 losses. Consider my vote reversed.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:29 PM

wins are meaningless.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:13 PM

View PostRon_Mexico, on 09 January 2013 - 04:12 PM, said:

And I love Don Mattingly. Favorite player ever. He'll, my ATM PIN has 23 in it. But he was cut short. 84-86 there was nobody better

I'm not really a big baseball fan, but I will watch as many games as possible in the post season.

I was raised a Yanks fan, and used to love watching Mattingly with my dad growing up.

#16 Ron_Mexico

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:40 PM

Yeah, The only regular season I watch is the Dolphins. Baseball and basketball, I'll watch a little here and there, but just my teams , Heat, Yankees and Marlins. I'll watch most post season stuff of my teams.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:55 PM

sounds like you aren't a real fan then.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:08 PM

View PostSuitedAces21, on 09 January 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

sounds like you aren't a real fan then.

Or, I have matured past being a little boy who lives and dies with every win or loss of some person or team that doesn't know or care I'm alive.

I enjoy sports and my team with perspective. Enjoy them very much at times but it isn't life or death. That ended in 95 or 96 for me. Which would have made me 23 or 24.

Your irrational love of 2 schools you didn't even attend is beyond my grasp. Do you even care about the schools you attended?

Oh yeah, you opened up a can of whoop ass boy.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:14 PM

goddamn brvy, i knew this was his fault.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:26 PM

Isn't everything.

In fairness to you, the 95 LCS between the Yankees and Mariners drained me. It was only a 5 game series. I was up and down over every pitch. Then in 96-00, they won 4 titles and it just wasn't that important anymore. The Dolphins will never win and the Heat 06 series was great for me, as well as last years Heat playoffs.

There, explaining my fandom. Regular seasons are too long. Too many games. 60 games for bball and hockey,, 110 for baseball.
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