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#1 colonel Feathers

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:51 PM

So, for the first time , the Dems own california, they have the Gov, and a super majority in both houses. Heres a chance for the libs to shine. See you in four years.

But then again, if california collapses in the next few years, theres always arnold to point back to.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:07 PM

Well, they just voted to raise the high-end income and sales taxes in an attempt to close their deficit so that should be a good experiment as to whether raising the high-end taxes can help with debt.

So, yeah, we'll see.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 05:26 PM

View PostLongLiveYorke, on 11 November 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

Well, they just voted to raise the high-end income and sales taxes in an attempt to close their deficit so that should be a good experiment as to whether raising the high-end taxes can help with debt.

So, yeah, we'll see.
The scary part is they dont need the people to vote on tax increases now. It can now be done by legislative fiat.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 05:31 PM

View Postcolonel Feathers, on 11 November 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

The scary part is they dont need the people to vote on tax increases now. It can now be done by legislative fiat.

That's......not a new development. Congress has been raising and lowering taxes by fiat since 1789.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:04 PM

View PostCaneBrain, on 11 November 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

That's......not a new development. Congress has been raising and lowering taxes by fiat since 1789.
Not I believe on the state level here, or why was it on the ballot/
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 10:48 PM

View Postcolonel Feathers, on 11 November 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:

Not I believe on the state level here, or why was it on the ballot/

If it was on the ballot then what's your issue?
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:38 PM

View PostCaneBrain, on 11 November 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

If it was on the ballot then what's your issue?
If the govt cant agree on a tax increase, a ballot measure could be tried to get the tax anyway. Now there is no one to block it from passing. Your serve.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:47 AM

It is the job of the legislator to levy taxes, they are shucking their responsibilities.

Good note, but when the proposition to require ID checks to enroll children in schools and or collect welfare a few years back passed by 66%, a single judge ruled it not legal for it to be a ballot because it was the job of the legislature to perform this function.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:17 AM

So are you guys mad because the legislature imposed a tax or because they punted it to referendum? I'm confused.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:45 AM

No the tax sucks, their cowardice sucks and the state is slowing sucking.

Of course it is all offset by the fact that is easily the best state in the union...which sucks for you.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:52 AM

View PostCaneBrain, on 12 November 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

So are you guys mad because the legislature imposed a tax or because they punted it to referendum? I'm confused.

Who knows or cares anymore

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:48 AM

View PostLongLiveYorke, on 11 November 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

Well, they just voted to raise the high-end income and sales taxes in an attempt to close their deficit so that should be a good experiment as to whether raising the high-end taxes can help with debt.

So, yeah, we'll see.

I am real confident that the new tax revenues are going to go reduce the State's debt. :)

Just one example: http://en.wikipedia....High-Speed_Rail
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:19 PM

Maybe we can make a deal and all the hippy liberal nut cases can all move to New York and California, own those states as sovereign land, and all conservatives will move to the rest of the country.

That way they can pretend they have a clue about addition and subtraction and we can not have our states destroyed by idiots.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:21 PM

View PostBalloon guy, on 12 November 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Maybe we can make a deal and all the hippy liberal nut cases can all move to New York and California, own those states as sovereign land, and all conservatives will move to the rest of the country.

That way they can pretend they have a clue about addition and subtraction and we can not have our states destroyed by idiots.

Most red states receive more federal funding than they pay in taxes......you know, the "mooching" 47% that won't take responsibility for their lives.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:41 PM

Based on the most recent election map, pretty sure only the blue states are worth living in anyway, so I'm in.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:29 PM

Gov Moonbeam has actually done a decent job in my view - he's pledged not to increase taxes unless the people vote for it (hence prop 30). For now, the state democrats have agreed to this but time will tell. Brown who's 74 has no higher aspirations and can do whatever he wants - from that standpoint, he's beholden to no one since I doubt he'll run for another term. He actually did a decent job as the mayor of Oakland and has become more moderate as he gets older.

He's actually balanced the budget with Prop 30 passing (something Davis and the Governator couldn't do) but also reiterated that the state is still in big time debt and that any surpluses will go against the debt.
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