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#1 EAPaaron

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:44 PM

I was at a bowling alley playing at a NL holdem cash game 1/2$ blindsI have 120$ inI consider myself a very good poker player, knowing whats going on around me. Being a person with a hearing disability who graduated with a college bachelors degree, trying to find a job isnt easy due to my lack of hearing and employers think that my hearing issue would be a liability.. While working a part time pizza delivery job, I dont make very much money therefor I value every dollar I get. So as its hard to build a poker bankroll from nothing. I give it a try but I seem encounter the worst luck. Such as this.I am at a table of 8 people. I have pocket As. I am early position 2 seats right after big blind, so I limp 2$ in hoping someone else raises so I can go for the reraise preflop after that. Everyone else limps in. Other guy who is big blind option, 2 seats on my right goes all in preflop! The idiot dealer starts flipping the the flop cards on board as Im calling the preflop all in for 120$ and there are still 5 people to act after me. The others fold anyhow. The flop shows As 8s 3c.....as guy shows Jd 7d (who the hell goes all in preflop with that hand anyways)... hes drawing dead to my trip As The dealer and manager says the flop has to be redone since people saw the flop before actions were finished preflop. I do not agree to this, its either call the play dead and everyone gets chips back or keep going.IN my case I was calling the all in preflop regardless if I saw the flop cards with pocket As. The manager says we keep hole cards and the turn and river but reshuffle and so a new flop will be made. The dude gets 3 diamonds off the new 2nd flop and sucks out and wins all my money.The bowling alley dealer and manager costed me 240$.. my own 120$ + the 120$ I would have won since i was 100% after the original flop, guy was drawing dead. But instead they handled things this way and costed me all my money in such a inappropriate manor. And they approve of the entire actions and award the donk with my money.WOW, anyhow I had a talk with the manager for a half hour about this after that hand, he was apologising and saying he "understands how this sucks" and trying to explain how one time when he was playing, he had a nut strait but hand was called dead because he flipped his cards to early and how it sucked too. I go, that was "YOUR mistake that you flipped over your own cards and lost out" In this case I got screwed over by the dealer 100% and the way this situation was handled because.....with the original cards, I won uncontested after the flop, however the 2nd flop that should have never happened causes me to lose all my money + the money I should have won, and that is entirely unfair to me.I should get reimbursed by the bowling alley of my original 120$ somehow, that should have never taken place, and NO casino does "flop redos". And the fact I was calling all in with pocket As reguardless of the original flop. Not a "redo flop"What can I do about things like this? As of now I have to wait untill 2 more days before I can speak to owner of the place about this hand and his dealer + manager cheating me of my money.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:05 PM

Yeah but atleast you have a rock solid lawsuit...Being a person with a hearing disability who graduated with a college bachelors degree, trying to find a job isnt easy due to my lack of hearing and employers think that my hearing issue would be a liability.."Title I and Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, as amended (ADA), which prohibit employment discrimination against qualified individuals with disabilities in the private sector, and in state and local governments"

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:06 PM

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:45 PM

View Postmeservery, on 15 August 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

Yeah but atleast you have a rock solid lawsuit...Being a person with a hearing disability who graduated with a college bachelors degree, trying to find a job isnt easy due to my lack of hearing and employers think that my hearing issue would be a liability.."Title I and Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, as amended (ADA), which prohibit employment discrimination against qualified individuals with disabilities in the private sector, and in state and local governments"
The law dont mean a thing. I cant ever prove to the courts that Iv been discriminated by employers. All they have to do is simply deny that and I have no case. General Motors discriminated against hiring me because of my hearing, despite that I scored 100% on their written test and aced their hands on test. My father works for General Motors and the way they did testing, applicant testing results is hidden in a secret area where it can never be found and a 3rd party does it. Theres always ways around the laws.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 12:16 AM

he wasnt quite drawing dead, but really close.. a combination of 9 and 10 on turn and river would give him a straight

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 07:42 AM

View Postdroberts, on 16 August 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

he wasnt quite drawing dead, but really close.. a combination of 9 and 10 on turn and river would give him a straight
Turn was 5d, river was 2c no matter what

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 09:42 AM

You're pretty cute, so is that young lady in your avatar.

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I don't mind folding out hands we beat.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 09:42 AM

Let me ask you a question. If, instead of Diamond, diamond, diamond, if the flop had come Brick, brick, brick (or brick, brick, ace), would you have objected? Would you have been calling for the hand to be voided? Of course not. You're being completely results based. You don't care really about a flaw in the policy, you care that the policy cost you this pot. Let me clear a few things up for you.1) It doesn't just matter what you would have done, if you would have called or not. There are still 5 people to act after you, and their decision would be altered by seeing the flop. That's why the rule exists, because it's not fair to the guy who went all in, to let all people after him ( including you) see the flop before deciding to call. What cards you have or don't have are irrelevant. They can't make a rule "you have to redo the flop, unless player who has not acted has AA and would call 100% of the time anyway" that's ludicrous 2) I assure you, redoing the flop is industry standard. Call up any casino in your area, and ask what they would have done, and they will tell you the same thing. The hand isn't just being voided. The only time that any casino will void a hand is if a) it's pre flop and there hasn't been action b) there's overt cheating going on, like there are extra cards in the deck, or someone is caught holding back cards. Once there is action on the hand, the hand will be played to completion, one way or another. you can argue about the wisdom of this or not, but you'd be wasting your breath. Casino care about having high Hands per hour dealt, and all their rules are made with that idea in mind.3) It sucks that this happened to you, but if you play enough live, dealer errors happen to everyone. We've all lost pots because of incompetent dealers. Suck it up.4) because you've reacted so emotionally to a dealer error, and display such ignorance about Casino Standard operating procedure in the case of dealer errors, I really doubt that you are the "very good poker player" that you claim. You, at the very least, are inexperienced at playing live games, because if you put in serious hours in casinos, you'd know that this sort of thing happens all the time. You have zero to complain about, other than your bad luck.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 09:56 AM

View PostBigDMcGee, on 16 August 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

Let me ask you a question. If, instead of Diamond, diamond, diamond, if the flop had come Brick, brick, brick (or brick, brick, ace), would you have objected? Would you have been calling for the hand to be voided? Of course not. You're being completely results based. You don't care really about a flaw in the policy, you care that the policy cost you this pot. Let me clear a few things up for you.1) It doesn't just matter what you would have done, if you would have called or not. There are still 5 people to act after you, and their decision would be altered by seeing the flop. That's why the rule exists, because it's not fair to the guy who went all in, to let all people after him ( including you) see the flop before deciding to call. What cards you have or don't have are irrelevant. They can't make a rule "you have to redo the flop, unless player who has not acted has AA and would call 100% of the time anyway" that's ludicrous 2) I assure you, redoing the flop is industry standard. Call up any casino in your area, and ask what they would have done, and they will tell you the same thing. The hand isn't just being voided. The only time that any casino will void a hand is if a) it's pre flop and there hasn't been action b) there's overt cheating going on, like there are extra cards in the deck, or someone is caught holding back cards. Once there is action on the hand, the hand will be played to completion, one way or another. you can argue about the wisdom of this or not, but you'd be wasting your breath. Casino care about having high Hands per hour dealt, and all their rules are made with that idea in mind.3) It sucks that this happened to you, but if you play enough live, dealer errors happen to everyone. We've all lost pots because of incompetent dealers. Suck it up.4) because you've reacted so emotionally to a dealer error, and display such ignorance about Casino Standard operating procedure in the case of dealer errors, I really doubt that you are the "very good poker player" that you claim. You, at the very least, are inexperienced at playing live games, because if you put in serious hours in casinos, you'd know that this sort of thing happens all the time. You have zero to complain about, other than your bad luck.
Name one casino that does a redo flop, you have no idea what you are talking about. Any casino would have called the hand dead instantly and gave everybody their chips back. And I also objected to flop redo before they even did it. It's 1 thing to suck out on me on the original flop, it's another thing to take away my original flop and put out a second slot that completely changes everything.Bad troll is bad

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 10:10 AM

View PostEAPaaron, on 16 August 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

Name one casino that does a redo flop, you have no idea what you are talking about. Any casino would have called the hand dead instantly and gave everybody their chips back. And I also objected to flop redo before they even did it. It's 1 thing to suck out on me on the original flop, it's another thing to take away my original flop and put out a second slot that completely changes everything.Bad troll is bad
I'm not trolling. You're 100 percent wrong. If you actually care about the truth, call up your local casinos, give the scenario. Call up Harrah's. Call up the bellagio. Everyone will tell you the same thing. No casino is going to call a hand dead, after that much action on the hand has occurred. Also, it's a pity they did away with the bad beat forum, because the OP is just a cleverly disguised bad beat story.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 10:23 AM

Also, LOL @ the idea that the bowling alley should reimburse you for the dealer error. Poker rooms barely make money as it is, do you know how unprofitable that would be for a casino to do that? And how exploitable? A dishonest dealer could team with a couple players and fleece the casino for serious amounts of money with zero risk. Your position is really ridiculous, and I suspect your reacting so emotionally to it because the 120 represents a serious percentage of your bankroll.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:03 AM

View PostBigDMcGee, on 16 August 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

Also, LOL @ the idea that the bowling alley should reimburse you for the dealer error. Poker rooms barely make money as it is, do you know how unprofitable that would be for a casino to do that? And how exploitable? A dishonest dealer could team with a couple players and fleece the casino for serious amounts of money with zero risk. Your position is really ridiculous, and I suspect your reacting so emotionally to it because the 120 represents a serious percentage of your bankroll.
Get out of my thread, you have never had this happen to you, I was swindled strait up, your spewing bs left and right.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:19 AM

View PostEAPaaron, on 16 August 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

Get out of my thread, you have never had this happen to you, I was swindled strait up, your spewing bs left and right.
BigD is telling you the truth.What happened sucked for you but mistakes happen and I don't know that the house could have allowed the flop to stand considering that there were players to act after you. No reputable casino would call a dead hand and return the money and you with your AA don't want them to do that other than in hindsight.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:35 AM

OP gets shafted by poker rules and then BigD is proven right. Enough is enough.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:45 AM

View PostEAPaaron, on 16 August 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

Get out of my thread, you have never had this happen to you, I was swindled strait up, your spewing bs left and right.
Don't trust me. Call literally any casino. Make a thread on 2+2. I'm telling you the truth, you petulant child, you just don't want to face it.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:47 AM

And I've had way worse things than this happen to me. I've had dealers call the wrong hand causing me to muck a winner. I've had dealers snatch my hand and muck it while I was in the middle of a hand. I've seen dealers not be able to read the board and push the pots to the wrong person. I've been in countless hands where the flop has been redealt ( or the turn, or the river). This is standard in playing live games, you're just being a baby about it because you're gambling outside your means. That's the truth you need to face, not crying about how you got cheated by a casino, when that policy is universal.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:07 PM

View PostEAPaaron, on 16 August 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

Name one casino that does a redo flop, you have no idea what you are talking about. Any casino would have called the hand dead instantly and gave everybody their chips back. And I also objected to flop redo before they even did it. It's 1 thing to suck out on me on the original flop, it's another thing to take away my original flop and put out a second slot that completely changes everything.Bad troll is bad
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:59 PM

View PostEAPaaron, on 15 August 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

I consider myself a very good poker playerI have pocket As. I am early position 2 seats right after big blind, so I limp 2$ in hoping someone else raises so I can go for the reraise preflop after that.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 02:18 PM

Where's the button to like this entire thread?

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 02:51 PM

After you call those casinos, and make that 2+2 thread, I expect a full apology. Insulting people who tell you the truth does not bode well for the type of hard truth introspection of your decisions and poker skills that being a poker pro requires. you should consider going back to grad school.
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