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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:25 PM

View PostTiltinagain, on 29 August 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:



The Dems can't let it be about Jobs, Energy and Deficits because if they are forced to talk about the real issues, they lose. Instead they latch on to highly emotional issues (their version of shock and awe), lie about them in order to blow them out of proportion and let the media spin their wheels on BS rather than talking about facts.

Yes, both parties are guilty of this to some degree but the DNC, in particular, has elevated it to an art form. Distract, distract, distract. And it worked 4 years ago so who the hell could blame them for doing it again. Especially when so many in our social media driven times learn everything they know about politics in 20 second sound bites and cute sayings their friends share on facebook.

Lol, I could change like five words in this entire rant, and have it be a blistering rant against how George Bush won the 2004 election by swift boating Kerry and pumping anti gay marriage fervor to distract from the Iraq War.

However, the idea that anything you are describing happened in 2008 is bordering on delusional. Obama just needed to stand there and not do anything stupid to win that election; that's what happens when a president leaves office with an approval rating in the low 20s.

Just do it,

The odds of the GOP voting for Simpson/Bowles, which contains multiple tax increases including some to the wealthy, are about as good as me playing PG for the Heat next season. Grover owns too many of them. So acting like Obama killed that style of deficit reduction plan is just crazy gibberish.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:31 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on 29 August 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

Yup, the GOP is at least honest about saying that they don't care that they're lying, if it's effective they'll keep doing it.

Romney Camp Bets On Welfare Attack

Their most powerful weapon, a top aide says. “We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers,” says Newhouse.

Geez, everyone left out one important point, what Obama did through Executive Order is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Oops, I forgot that is just a trivial thing
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:32 PM

I think my favorite part of this election is watching how indignant GOP politicians and voters are that Democrats are finally getting down in the gutter with them.

Tell us more about how the black guy is un-American while you take the "high road".
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:33 PM

lol "finally"

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:42 PM

View PostDJ Vu, on 29 August 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

lol "finally"

I thought they wussed out big time in 2000 and 2004. They didn't need to do anything in '08.

Maybe they used to do stuff back in the day but i wasn't voter eligible until 2000.

Obama is just a lot tougher than Kerry and Gore were.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:35 PM

View PostCaneBrain, on 29 August 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

Lol, I could change like five words in this entire rant, and have it be a blistering rant against how George Bush won the 2004 election by swift boating Kerry and pumping anti gay marriage fervor to distract from the Iraq War.

However, the idea that anything you are describing happened in 2008 is bordering on delusional. Obama just needed to stand there and not do anything stupid to win that election; that's what happens when a president leaves office with an approval rating in the low 20s.

Just do it,

The odds of the GOP voting for Simpson/Bowles, which contains multiple tax increases including some to the wealthy, are about as good as me playing PG for the Heat next season. Grover owns too many of them. So acting like Obama killed that style of deficit reduction plan is just crazy gibberish.

Come on CainBrain you can do better than that.

Crazy Gibberish............he created a commission, they did their job and had people from the GOP side lined up. What did Obama do, NOOOOOOOOOTHING.

Please tell me one thing Obama did to move it forward. OK, you can't. So Yes, he killed it for his own Political Partisan gains. Their are people hurting and it's all about him and getting reelected. And yes he is Dishonest and Slimy.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 07:35 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on 29 August 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

Yup, the GOP is at least honest about saying that they don't care that they're lying, if it's effective they'll keep doing it.

Romney Camp Bets On Welfare Attack

Their most powerful weapon, a top aide says. “We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers,” says Newhouse.

Way to take the quote out of context. Thanks for helping make my point. The whole quote read :

"Fact checkers come to this with their own sets of thoughts and beliefs, and we’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers," he said. The fact-checkers — whose institutional rise has been a feature of the cycle — have "jumped the shark," he added after the panel."

So, what they're saying is that "fact checkers" is not an objective source. No surprise since it's coming from the Washington Post.

View PostCaneBrain, on 29 August 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

Lol, I could change like five words in this entire rant, and have it be a blistering rant against how George Bush won the 2004 election by swift boating Kerry and pumping anti gay marriage fervor to distract from the Iraq War.

However, the idea that anything you are describing happened in 2008 is bordering on delusional. Obama just needed to stand there and not do anything stupid to win that election; that's what happens when a president leaves office with an approval rating in the low 20s.

Just do it,

The odds of the GOP voting for Simpson/Bowles, which contains multiple tax increases including some to the wealthy, are about as good as me playing PG for the Heat next season. Grover owns too many of them. So acting like Obama killed that style of deficit reduction plan is just crazy gibberish.

I guess you could, but you'd be wrong. Bush was going to win that election while we were in the middle of a war. To say he tried to distract from the war is ignorant.

View PostCaneBrain, on 29 August 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

I think my favorite part of this election is watching how indignant GOP politicians and voters are that Democrats are finally getting down in the gutter with them.

Tell us more about how the black guy is un-American while you take the "high road".

2nd DJ's lol at "finally". Apparently you need to work on your political history. Going back to Bush 1 and especially during Bush 2's years (and after), the Dems and their media puppets drug each of them through the mud mercilessly. Hell, people still try to say that Bush "stole" the election versus Gore and still blame him for the current economy.

If the world could be turned upside down and a republican said half the things Obama has said, not produced a budget, spend $800 million on a stimulus that promised to lower employment which failed miserably, and on and on, the media would be using them for a pinata daily.

Wake up.

View PostJustDoIt, on 29 August 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

Come on CainBrain you can do better than that.

Crazy Gibberish............he created a commission, they did their job and had people from the GOP side lined up. What did Obama do, NOOOOOOOOOTHING.

Please tell me one thing Obama did to move it forward. OK, you can't. So Yes, he killed it for his own Political Partisan gains. Their are people hurting and it's all about him and getting reelected. And yes he is Dishonest and Slimy.

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View PostJubilantLankyLad, on 23 October 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

Go to hell, brvy.

View Postfrautotenkinder, on 22 May 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

I am not comfortable with vaginas and lunch meats being in the same metaphor. Anything besides saying or implying that is an improvement.



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Fine...when god dies, I'll be ok with people being upset on facebook.


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Posted 29 August 2012 - 08:16 PM

View PostCaneBrain, on 29 August 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

I thought they wussed out big time in 2000 and 2004. They didn't need to do anything in '08.

Maybe they used to do stuff back in the day but i wasn't voter eligible until 2000.

Obama is just a lot tougher than Kerry and Gore were.

Gore/Kerry wussed out - they deserved to lose the election

Obama gets down into the mud with the Republicans - both sides are now really reaching with their ads - lots of "pants on fire" ads if you look at politifact.

You don't win in politics if you don't go negative unfortunately
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 11:46 PM

View PostJustDoIt, on 29 August 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

Come on CainBrain you can do better than that.

Crazy Gibberish............he created a commission, they did their job and had people from the GOP side lined up. What did Obama do, NOOOOOOOOOTHING.

Please tell me one thing Obama did to move it forward. OK, you can't. So Yes, he killed it for his own Political Partisan gains. Their are people hurting and it's all about him and getting reelected. And yes he is Dishonest and Slimy.

What do you think about Paul Ryan who was on the commission voting against Simpson - Bowles ?

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Paul Ryan's speechwriter should've googled the deficit commission. He'd have noticed Ryan voted against it.
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Posted 30 August 2012 - 06:02 AM

View PostFCP Bob, on 29 August 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

What do you think about Paul Ryan who was on the commission voting against Simpson - Bowles ?

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Paul Ryan's speechwriter should've googled the deficit commission. He'd have noticed Ryan voted against it.

I think he had some problems with some things in it and voted against it. So what, you move it forward for debate. Paul Ryan being against it is irrelevant and his vote is not the only vote in town.

And yes there were a lot of good things in it. And yes there was Republicans lined up behind it including conservatives.
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Posted 30 August 2012 - 06:21 AM

View PostJustDoIt, on 30 August 2012 - 06:02 AM, said:

I think he had some problems with some things in it and voted against it. So what, you move it forward for debate. Paul Ryan being against it is irrelevant and his vote is not the only vote in town.

And yes there were a lot of good things in it. And yes there was Republicans lined up behind it including conservatives.

Every Republican Member of Congress on the commission voted against submitting the report.
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Posted 30 August 2012 - 07:15 AM

View Postgobears, on 29 August 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:


You don't win in politics if you don't go negative unfortunately

This really is the most unfortunate aspect of politics these days. And, for me, it's not so much that they go negative, it's that they only tell half truths, make things up and out and out lie in their ads. I'm talking about all of them, republicans and democrats. Most people are not going to take the time to do their own research so they take their preferred candidate at face value. Which is exactly what the politicos count on.

While I definitely have my own strong opinions, I really don't care how people vote. And, while I enjoy a good debate, I don't ever expect to change peoples opinions because of them. As long as they do their research and form their own opinions, rather than relying on what they hear from tv ads, their friends, facebook or, yes, forums, I want them to vote for who best fits their values and beliefs.

View PostJubilantLankyLad, on 23 October 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

Go to hell, brvy.

View Postfrautotenkinder, on 22 May 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

I am not comfortable with vaginas and lunch meats being in the same metaphor. Anything besides saying or implying that is an improvement.



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Fine...when god dies, I'll be ok with people being upset on facebook.


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Posted 30 August 2012 - 07:47 AM

View PostFCP Bob, on 30 August 2012 - 06:21 AM, said:

Every Republican Member of Congress on the commission voted against submitting the report.

"Every Republican being against it is irrelevant because I hate Democrats. But, in my head, there was tons of conservative support for a deficit reduction plan that included tax increases."

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 07:52 AM

View PostTiltinagain, on 29 August 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

I guess you could, but you'd be wrong. Bush was going to win that election while we were in the middle of a war. To say he tried to distract from the war is ignorant.

2nd DJ's lol at "finally". Apparently you need to work on your political history. Going back to Bush 1 and especially during Bush 2's years (and after), the Dems and their media puppets drug each of them through the mud mercilessly. Hell, people still try to say that Bush "stole" the election versus Gore and still blame him for the current economy.

If the world could be turned upside down and a republican said half the things Obama has said, not produced a budget, spend $800 million on a stimulus that promised to lower employment which failed miserably, and on and on, the media would be using them for a pinata daily.

Wake up.

But, I'm sure you find everyone calling Obama un-American is just "the truth". At least I can recognize what's happening, you actually believe that Democrats are the only ones playing the game.

Wake up, yourself.

The idea that he was totally going to win in 2004 no matter what was good for a laugh though. He barely won even with the swift-boating and gay marriage nonsense. To try and argue he wasn't trying to distract from a war that was already going terribly is delusional.

lol at it being absurd to blame Bush for the economic mess that he created. Please direct the partisan hackery at someone who is ignorant enough to think that global financial meltdowns should be completely solved in 4 years. More Americans still blame Bush for the economy than Obama.....you should let them know how stupid they all are too.

The stimulus failing miserably is a nice partisan opinion but when you look at what happened before it (hundreds of thousands of jobs lost per month) and what happened after (two years of job growth) it's hard to make the claim that it failed miserably. It may not have lived up to how it was hyped but that's a marketing failure. If they had just said the stimulus was a tourniquet for a bleeding economy (created by Bush), it would be a huge success.
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Posted 30 August 2012 - 07:57 AM

View PostFCP Bob, on 30 August 2012 - 06:21 AM, said:

Every Republican Member of Congress on the commission voted against submitting the report.

The President did not lead on this. That's what President's do. They accomplished every thing he asked for!
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Posted 30 August 2012 - 07:57 AM

View PostCaneBrain, on 30 August 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

"Every Republican being against it is irrelevant because I hate Democrats. But, in my head, there was tons of conservative support for a deficit reduction plan that included tax increases."

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Also, they could have just not liked a part supported and included by Democrats, so it forced them to vote against it. One or the other.

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napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 08:01 AM

View PostCaneBrain, on 30 August 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

"Every Republican being against it is irrelevant because I hate Democrats. But, in my head, there was tons of conservative support for a deficit reduction plan that included tax increases."

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Cute, I will be voting for a lot of Democrats this fall. Obama NO!!!

Sorry I am not a Partisan.

Bottom Line Obama did not lead!
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Posted 30 August 2012 - 08:01 AM

View Postbrvheart, on 30 August 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

Also, they could have just not liked a part supported and included by Democrats, so it forced them to vote against it. One or the other.

Then, I guess Obama gets a pass for not promoting it because it included parts from Republicans he didn't like, right?


View PostJustDoIt, on 30 August 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

The President did not lead on this. That's what President's do. They accomplished every thing he asked for!

So, he was supposed to what....bring it up for a vote after the GOP already said "No!"? Or was he supposed to cave on the changes the GOP wanted because that's leadership in your eyes? If the GOP says emphatically no, then what's the point of bothering to move forward?
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Posted 30 August 2012 - 08:04 AM

View PostCaneBrain, on 30 August 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

Then, I guess Obama gets a pass for not promoting it because it included parts from Republicans he didn't like, right?

I don't know what you're talking about.

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napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 08:07 AM

View Postbrvheart, on 30 August 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

I don't know what you're talking about.

If it's ok for Paul Ryan to vote against it because it has provisions he just can't live with, then it has to be ok for Obama to not promote it because it has provisions he just can't live with.

It's called fairness and I understand why that's a mystifying subject for you.
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