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#21 CaneBrain

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 06:54 AM

View PostBalloon guy, on 21 August 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

Well that is consistent with the liberal belief that they know the inner most thoughts of everyone and therefore can throw blanket accusations around without facts and still feel self-righteous about it.
or it's consistent with: http://thecaucus.blo...party-platform/ http://www.washingto...ougher.htmlwhat they're saying themselves under "stated goals of the GOP".
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:27 AM

View PostCaneBrain, on 21 August 2012 - 06:46 PM, said:

Actually I think Akin's underlying views on abortion and rape are completely in line with the current GOP vision. Most of them just know better than to be so open about it.
If a poll were done on Republicans on Rape/Abortion you would be proven wrong.Using your logic I guess all Democratic Law makers seek blowjobs from 17-year boys.Democratic lawmaker called on to resign for having oral sex with boy, 17, in bushes at public rest stop after meeting him on Craigslisthttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2191164/Kerry-Gauthier-Democratic-lawmaker-called-resign-having-oral-sex-teen-bushes.htmlI understand you folks love gaffes like the idiot Akin. Takes the focus off the real issue that Obama cannot run on his record. This has been going on since he was elected, total chaos.What is totally amazing is Obama is totally shredding the Constitution and not a peep. Recess appointments when Congress is in session, Illegal’s, Clinton Welfare Reform etc. Where is the outrage that Obama is turning us into a banana republic.Thomas Sowell wrote a great article and I will share it with you.The America that has flourished for more than two centuries is being quietly but steadily dismantled by the Obama administration, during the process of dealing with particular issues.For example, the merits or demerits of President Obama's recent executive order, suspending legal liability for young people who are here illegally, presumably as a result of being brought here as children by their parents, can be debated pro and con. But such a debate overlooks the much more fundamental undermining of the whole American system of Constitutional government.The separation of powers into legislative, executive and judicial branches of government is at the heart of the Constitution of the United States — and the Constitution is at the heart of freedom for Americans.No President of the United States is authorized to repeal parts of legislation passed by Congress. He may veto the whole legislation, but then Congress can override his veto if they have enough votes. Nevertheless, every President takes an oath to faithfully execute the laws that have been passed and sustained — not just the ones he happens to agree with.If laws passed by the elected representatives of the people can be simply over-ruled unilaterally by whoever is in the White House, then we are no longer a free people, choosing what laws we want to live under.When a President can ignore the plain language of duly passed laws, and substitute his own executive orders, then we no longer have "a government of laws, and not of men" but a President ruling by decree, like the dictator in some banana republic.When we confine our debates to the merits or demerits of particular executive orders, we are tacitly accepting arbitrary rule. The Constitution of the United States cannot protect us unless we protect the Constitution. But, if we allow ourselves to get bogged down in the details of particular policies imposed by executive orders, and vote solely on that basis, then we have failed to protect the Constitution — and ourselves.http://www.creators.com/print/conservative/thomas-sowell/-quot-issues-quot-or-america.html
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:30 AM

View PostJustDoIt, on 22 August 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

If a poll were done on Republicans on Rape/Abortion you would be proven wrong.

View PostCaneBrain, on 22 August 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

or it's consistent with: http://thecaucus.blo...party-platform/ http://www.washingto...hind-todd-akin/http://www.newsobser...is-tougher.htmlwhat they're saying themselves under "stated goals of the GOP".
I didn't read past this point because you started with something I had already proven to be demonstrably false in my very last post. How useful could the rest be?
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:40 AM

View PostFCP Bob, on 20 August 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

Well let's see.This was in the news today and was being discussed by Joe Scarborough this morning so easy to find the link.The reality is that there are a lot more loonies in what is becoming the main stream of the Republican Party today as it keeps moving further and further to the extreme. As Scarborough pointed out this morning in almost all Republican Primaries the most extreme candidate is winning.I would have been a Nixon-Reagan-Bush 1 Republican, the current party no way.
John Kennedy would have been considered right wing today. His one Supreme court appointment Byron Raymond "Whizzer" White would be demonized by today's Democratic party as some one who wanted to return abortion back to coat hangers etc.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 02:25 PM

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 12:13 AM

View PostFCP Bob, on 20 August 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

I would have been a Nixon-Reagan-Bush 1 Republican, the current party no way.
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Posted 28 August 2012 - 08:40 AM

View PostFCP Bob, on 28 August 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

In my opinion, one of the great things about Reagan was what this article uses to try to discredit his Presidency. He had a plan for what he wanted to get done and knew that he could not get it without compromise. Unlike the politicians of today who's seemingly largest mission is to discredit the other party, Reagan worked to get things done. He worked with both parties, giving on things he didn't particularly love in order to get closer to his ultimate goal.This is how everyday business, relationships and everyday human interaction work. You're not always going to get everything you want. You have to give up an evening to go watch a chick flick with your wife so that you can go play golf all day without her complaining. It's how things get done in the real world. Our government is broken because it's an us versus them society where nobody wants to be seen as "weak" for "giving in" to the other side.In short, the thing our current government lacks now, on both sides of the aisle, is leadership. Study the great leaders of the past and present and you don't find dictators, you find people that are willing to work with all people and their individual issues in order to acheive the greater good. Reagan was great not because he was a staunch conservative but because he was a leader that knew how to get things done.

View PostJubilantLankyLad, on 23 October 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

Go to hell, brvy.

View Postfrautotenkinder, on 22 May 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

I am not comfortable with vaginas and lunch meats being in the same metaphor. Anything besides saying or implying that is an improvement.



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Fine...when god dies, I'll be ok with people being upset on facebook.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 10:13 AM

View PostTiltinagain, on 28 August 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

In my opinion, one of the great things about Reagan was what this article uses to try to discredit his Presidency.
The article doesn't discredit Reagan it points out how far the current Republicans have swung to the extreme and that people like Reagan and Goldwater wouldn't past the current extreme purity test.
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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:01 AM

View PostFCP Bob, on 28 August 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

The article doesn't discredit Reagan it points out how far the current Republicans have swung to the extreme and that people like Reagan and Goldwater wouldn't past the current extreme purity test.
Not overtly but that's the tone I took away at the beginning. Could be that I'm overly sensitive about this subject because so many look to discredit him and his policies. Usually taking things out of context.

View PostJubilantLankyLad, on 23 October 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

Go to hell, brvy.

View Postfrautotenkinder, on 22 May 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

I am not comfortable with vaginas and lunch meats being in the same metaphor. Anything besides saying or implying that is an improvement.



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Fine...when god dies, I'll be ok with people being upset on facebook.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 04:22 PM

View PostCaneBrain, on 22 August 2012 - 08:30 AM, said:

I didn't read past this point because you started with something I had already proven to be demonstrably false in my very last post. How useful could the rest be?
"If a poll were done on Republicans on Rape/Abortion you would be proven wrong."Just out, CBS Poll You Lose. Page 7Wow, only 17% of Republican Women "not permitted at all" ..............Democratic Women 8%.http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57501996/poll-abortion-views-not-a-litmus-test-for-most-voters/?pageNum=2&tag=contentMain;contentBodyOh Damn, I forgot you don't read past here."When a President can ignore the plain language of duly passed laws, and substitute his own executive orders, then we no longer have "a government of laws, and not of men" but a President ruling by decree, like the dictator in some banana republic."Thomas Sowell
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Posted 28 August 2012 - 04:28 PM

Lol, the GOP just TODAY passed a party platform in Tampa that sets as a goal the ban of all abortions without exceptions. I guess all you republican voters should let the Republican politicians (who I was obv referring to) know that they are wrong.
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Posted 28 August 2012 - 05:19 PM

View PostCaneBrain, on 28 August 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

Lol, the GOP just TODAY passed a party platform in Tampa that sets as a goal the ban of all abortions without exceptions. I guess all you republican voters should let the Republican politicians (who I was obv referring to) know that they are wrong.
LOL, like party platforms mean anything.I will stick with my poll.How is that HOPE AND CHANGE WORKING FOR YOU. Of course we know this War On Women is nothing more than a smoke screen, when you have nothing to run on Chaos is in order.Of course the truth never matters. I hope you watch the following and get back to me.DWS When Confronted On Lie: 'It Doesn't Matter' we know that Sandra Fluke is speaking at Democratic Convention, and she flat out lied about paying 3000 a year for contraception.Yea, I know this is all irrelevant.
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Posted 28 August 2012 - 08:10 PM

View PostCaneBrain, on 28 August 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

Lol, the GOP just TODAY passed a party platform in Tampa that sets as a goal the ban of all abortions without exceptions. I guess all you republican voters should let the Republican politicians (who I was obv referring to) know that they are wrong.
Wow, really!? That's a huge step in the right direction. I'm really surprised that passed.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:16 AM

View PostTiltinagain, on 28 August 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

In my opinion, one of the great things about Reagan was what this article uses to try to discredit his Presidency. He had a plan for what he wanted to get done and knew that he could not get it without compromise. Unlike the politicians of today who's seemingly largest mission is to discredit the other party, Reagan worked to get things done. He worked with both parties, giving on things he didn't particularly love in order to get closer to his ultimate goal.This is how everyday business, relationships and everyday human interaction work. You're not always going to get everything you want. You have to give up an evening to go watch a chick flick with your wife so that you can go play golf all day without her complaining. It's how things get done in the real world. Our government is broken because it's an us versus them society where nobody wants to be seen as "weak" for "giving in" to the other side.In short, the thing our current government lacks now, on both sides of the aisle, is leadership. Study the great leaders of the past and present and you don't find dictators, you find people that are willing to work with all people and their individual issues in order to acheive the greater good. Reagan was great not because he was a staunch conservative but because he was a leader that knew how to get things done.

Didn't read the article, but you said a lot of good things in there.

View Postbrvheart, on 28 August 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

Wow, really!? That's a huge step in the right direction. I'm really surprised that passed.

I try to stay out of discussion on this forum, but it continues to blow me away that anyone without an agenda could possibly consider this a "right" direction. It is so comprehensively stupid and bad. We've argued it a million times, and so far the closest thing to an argument is that it "feels" like life begins at conception (**** science!) and the Bible says so (worse than the first argument, since the procedure wouldn't have been safe in biblical times). It's just wrong, and I very much hope the Democrats jump all over it, as only the most closeted, selfish and hateful people could possibly approve of a total ban.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 07:20 AM

I'll take Brv's honesty over the GOP's obfuscation.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 07:35 AM

View Postmrdannyg, on 29 August 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

It is so comprehensively stupid and bad. We've argued it a million times, and so far the closest thing to an argument is that it "feels" like life begins at conception (**** science!) and the Bible says so (worse than the first argument, since the procedure wouldn't have been safe in biblical times). It's just wrong, and I very much hope the Democrats jump all over it, as only the most closeted, selfish and hateful people could possibly approve of a total ban.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 08:15 AM

View PostCaneBrain, on 29 August 2012 - 07:20 AM, said:

I'll take Brv's honesty over the GOP's obfuscation.

I'm glad you value honesty.

Obama created a fiscal commission headed by Erskine Bowles (who had negotiated budgets for Clinton) and Alan Simpson. They did their work and Mr. Bowles said "exceeded every single one of the goals that he (Obama) had

given us". That's right the commission had exceeded every goal given to them by Obama. They also had a majority of Republicans to vote for it, so he (Obama) had

plenty of cover on the other side.

So what did Obama do with this? Nothing, let Paul Ryan lead and then demonized his plan. Pissed on the people of America including WOMEN.

Talk about being Dishonest, Slimy and Obfuscating the issues.

Democrat Co-Chair Erskine Bowles: Obama's Political Team Convinced Obama To Ditch Fiscal Commission

http://www.youtube.c...kOP8ORAK0#t=34s

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 08:41 AM

View Postmrdannyg, on 29 August 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

Didn't read the article, but you said a lot of good things in there.



I try to stay out of discussion on this forum, but it continues to blow me away that anyone without an agenda could possibly consider this a "right" direction. It is so comprehensively stupid and bad. We've argued it a million times, and so far the closest thing to an argument is that it "feels" like life begins at conception (**** science!) and the Bible says so (worse than the first argument, since the procedure wouldn't have been safe in biblical times). It's just wrong, and I very much hope the Democrats jump all over it, as only the most closeted, selfish and hateful people could possibly approve of a total ban.

Come on it is a party platform. If you go back over history you will find that both party's have BS in their platform which they know is not going to happen.

You should be more pissed about this FABRICATED WAR ON WOMEN. It should be about Jobs, Energy and Deficits.

Another big lie is overturning Roe V Wade would end abortion. If it was overturned it would just be returned to the states for them to decide.

Take a look at CBS poll released on abortion yesterday, interesting results. Check out page 7.

http://www.cbsnews.c...ain;contentBody
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 10:29 AM

View PostJustDoIt, on 29 August 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:


You should be more pissed about this FABRICATED WAR ON WOMEN. It should be about Jobs, Energy and Deficits.


The Dems can't let it be about Jobs, Energy and Deficits because if they are forced to talk about the real issues, they lose. Instead they latch on to highly emotional issues (their version of shock and awe), lie about them in order to blow them out of proportion and let the media spin their wheels on BS rather than talking about facts.

Yes, both parties are guilty of this to some degree but the DNC, in particular, has elevated it to an art form. Distract, distract, distract. And it worked 4 years ago so who the hell could blame them for doing it again. Especially when so many in our social media driven times learn everything they know about politics in 20 second sound bites and cute sayings their friends share on facebook.

View PostJubilantLankyLad, on 23 October 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

Go to hell, brvy.

View Postfrautotenkinder, on 22 May 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

I am not comfortable with vaginas and lunch meats being in the same metaphor. Anything besides saying or implying that is an improvement.



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Fine...when god dies, I'll be ok with people being upset on facebook.


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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:19 PM

View PostTiltinagain, on 29 August 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

The Dems can't let it be about Jobs, Energy and Deficits because if they are forced to talk about the real issues, they lose. Instead they latch on to highly emotional issues (their version of shock and awe), lie about them in order to blow them out of proportion and let the media spin their wheels on BS rather than talking about facts.

Yes, both parties are guilty of this to some degree but the DNC, in particular, has elevated it to an art form. Distract, distract, distract. And it worked 4 years ago so who the hell could blame them for doing it again. Especially when so many in our social media driven times learn everything they know about politics in 20 second sound bites and cute sayings their friends share on facebook.

Yup, the GOP is at least honest about saying that they don't care that they're lying, if it's effective they'll keep doing it.

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