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Shove Calling Ranges For Small Mtt Final Tables


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#1 CorvairShaggy

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 12:56 PM

After not playing much for 1 1/2 years, started back grinding again. I have been playing some small 180-220 person MTTs on Merge. Got to the FT several times recently, mostly small buy-ins for Satellite tickets, or small buy-ins in general. Been doing good remembering on on open-shoving/ ATC don't-give-up-any-walks, Stop-N-Gos, etc. but can't remember calling ranges.For Example:You are at the final table already ITM. Everyone at FT gets Same ticket (except for first) or small GTD or small Prize Pool and the difference between 9th and 3rd is only a couple of bucks. 8-9 players at the table. Everyone has 12BB or less. Open-Shove from Unknown Villain in EP. Folds around to you in LP with 77 (or less). Villain has about the same BBs as you. (Maybe 1 or 2 more or less) Are you calling/Shoving here?? We are assuming an unknown villain here. I understand that latter stages, especially bubble to pay attention to other players shoving/calling ranges, but we will assume here that you just got to the FT and have no info.Using 77 as an example, but what would be the optimal ranges here??
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:13 AM

Confused about payouts. Is it a sattie and all equal payouts at FT? If so why is the tournament still playing?Any sattie is hugely position in field and stack size related. Impossible to answer without knowing your current position, the payout structure and everyones stack size really.If it's a bubble with a typical sattie payout then calling off 77 here for most or all of your stack is almost certainly very bad. Can't envision many, if any, setups of stack sizes where it's good.edit- reading against, 1st place gets a much bigger prize? If it's close to a winner take all scenario then 77 is probably fine to isolate with.
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#3 CorvairShaggy

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 12:54 PM

View PostHighwayStar, on 06 August 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

Confused about payouts. Is it a sattie and all equal payouts at FT? If so why is the tournament still playing?Any sattie is hugely position in field and stack size related. Impossible to answer without knowing your current position, the payout structure and everyones stack size really.If it's a bubble with a typical sattie payout then calling off 77 here for most or all of your stack is almost certainly very bad. Can't envision many, if any, setups of stack sizes where it's good.edit- reading against, 1st place gets a much bigger prize? If it's close to a winner take all scenario then 77 is probably fine to isolate with.
Ehh, It's Merge. They have some really weird Satties/Micro MTTs. One I played in was a .25 with rebuy/add-on. 2nd-9th place got an $11 Tourney Ticket (Unlike Stars, you have to use the $11 at one time. It is a Ticket, not T-Money). and 1st Place gets a $215 Tourney Ticket.One good example that I can remember is just got to FT. There was two walks, then 3rd hand guy in EP Shoves for 8BB. Smallest stack at table was 2BB, largest was 12BB. I had about 8BB as well, and I was HI-J or C/O with 77. I was really torn about what to do here. I think I was in 6th position at the time.With this goofy structure, I guess you could look at it was a flip maybe? BUT, if this was a standard structure with a decent prize pool, would you be calling off 77 here against an EP (UTG+1 or +2 if I remember right) shove??edit - Another goofey thing Merge does is you still play even if all payouts are equal. For example, played another MTT where top 3 all get an $11 Tourney Ticket. On Stars, once 4th place bust, you all are congratulated with a 1st place win and the prize, but on Merge you have to play it out. I just kept shoving and took my 2nd place win. Prizes were the same, and I could are less about saying I finished 1st. Gimmie the prize. Kinda dumb I think.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:47 PM

In that winner take all scenario you are playing close to chip EV. With antes you should be thrilled to take any flip. I would get it in here with somewhere near 44, A8o, A7s+, KJ+ kinda range? Maybe a bit wider.At a typical final table there are so many factors in play but I would guess 77 is a call off more often than not here. Close though.
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