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#1 Indig0

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 04:48 AM

how is better to play this kind of hands:1. You have 9h9d, heads-up on the flop: 6c7c8c. You are first to act2. You have 9h9d, heads-up on the flop: 3c7c9c. You are first to act??

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 05:01 AM

Your question is too vague.We would need to know whether this is a tournament or a cash game. We would also need to know the preflop action and the stack sizes and any other information about our opponent to be able to discuss it properly.The best thing to do is post a real example that you faced and provide the information that I have suggested above.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:47 AM

had both situation in cash, stacks was the same, something like 100 BB, in both situation was raise pre and call

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:38 AM

View PostIndig0, on Monday, April 30th, 2012, 10:47 AM, said:

had both situation in cash, stacks was the same, something like 100 BB, in both situation was raise pre and call
That's still not enough information.Need stats on villain, need positions, need stakes, etc. etc etc.

View Postakashenk, on 02 August 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

I don't mind folding out hands we beat.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 05:14 AM

View Postdonk4life, on Monday, April 30th, 2012, 7:38 PM, said:

That's still not enough information.Need stats on villain, need positions, need stakes, etc. etc etc.
stakes - 100 BBsposition - first to act

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 05:26 AM

View PostIndig0, on Tuesday, May 1st, 2012, 9:14 AM, said:

stakes - 100 BBsposition - first to act
You need to think this through better since the information that you're providing isn't enough and the fact that you think it's enough is showing some of the things you need to start thinking about.Stakes ? - Are you playing 1 cent / 2 cent online or are you playing $10/$20 NL Live. The stakes make a difference since it helps us in understanding your opponent.What information do you have about your opponent. Have you played with them before or been playing for long at the table. What reads do you have on them. If you're playing online and are using tracking software what stats do you have on them.Position is more than being first to act. Were you a blind, if you were was it small or big. Did you limp preflop and get raised or did you raise and were 3-bet. How many players were dealt in the hand and what position relative to the blinds was your opponent preflop and if you weren't a blind what was your position.All of the above should be things you're thinking about when considering what the right way to play a hand is. Poker is a game of situational decision making and without knowing the details of the situation it's hard to have a meaningful discussion.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 08:24 AM

Yeah, what Bob said. It is however, nice that people are posting strat. So if you have that information Bob suggested please post it!

View Postakashenk, on 02 August 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

I don't mind folding out hands we beat.

#8 Indig0

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 09:34 PM

come on guys.need to post his photo and history of 100 hands to discuss one simple hand ?Cash, online, heads-up, 0.02/0.04. Both have like 100 BBs. Preflop: He SB - call, I raise he call. Flop - I'm first to act.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 06:37 AM

Yes, having a significant hand sample greatly determines how you play one hand, and if you think it doesn't then you're going to have trouble winning in this gameI mean you're heads up. You have an overpair and a straight flush draw in one hand, and top set in the other. Just c-bet with more than likely the intention of getting it on the flop.If he flats and doesn't raise, then say what the turn card was and go from there.

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I don't mind folding out hands we beat.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:50 AM

I would donk bet both. So the strat here would change greatly if you were against multiple players. In general I consider 99 in heads up close to a premium hand, likely going to the river unless facing significant action and/or a lot of overcards. In both situations, you improve your hand significantly with the flop.With :ts 9x on a :4h :5c :club: board. This is all my math, it might be off a bit but you'll get the pointChances that villian floppedstraight flush (1/47*1/46) = 0.0005%flush (9/47*8/46) = 3.33%,straight (4/47*4/46+4/47*2/46+2/47*4/46) = 1.48%set (3/47*2/46)*3 = 0.83%two pair (3/47*3/46)*3 = 1.25%Overpair AA-TT (4/47*3/46)*5 = 2.78%Total: 9.67%That means you're ahead now 90%+ of the time. BET/RAISE!Their drawing hands are a bit tougher:chances of him with a flush draw is (9/47 - 9/47*8/46) = 15.6%, of them, 4/9 or 44.4% of the time you're drawing to a better flush.chances of him with a open ended straight draw is: (4/48+2/48 - 1.48) = 11.0%. You're doing great against them, spiking their kicker (non-straight card) is their only way to beat you.Worst case scenarios would be overpairs with better draws or two overs with a flush draws but...Overpair with flush draw (1/47*3/46)*5 = 0.7%Two overs with a flush draw (5/47*12/46) = 2.78%There's way more likelihood of bluffing than them actually having the goods here. Psyc portion is another post which I don't have the energy for, get to the river would be my best advice. I'll chime in more when I have time.

#11 donk4life

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 06:32 AM

I'm not sure you can assign a hand range to this guy just yet.

View Postakashenk, on 02 August 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

I don't mind folding out hands we beat.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:42 PM

We all love to have more information before we step out, but in both of these cases, regardless of table position, you need to place a bet of some sort (probably 40% of the pot or more) if the action has not been opened before it is your turn to act. These 'feeler' bets also serve to never allowing your opponent a free card on such draw heavy boards, especially in a cash game and FOR SURE if you were the preflop raiser. You need information as to where you are in the hand and could put yourself into a much worse 'no mans land' with a lot of the deck on the Turn. Yes, this does open you up to a check raise, but the raise should serve as 'your' pot builder as you are going to be ahead most of the time (see above for 90% calculation, even better with your set). If the board pairs on the Turn you could lose some desired action, so get the pot up there on the Flop ... especially with top set against a draw heavy board.If a bet is in play before you are to act, then you must decide what size pot you want to play for ... and then either call or raise based on that decision. Before you raise, you must decide how you are going to handle a re-raise if it comes and what size you would be willing to call. Probably a call with your open-ender and a raise with your top set would be in order and see what hits the Turn.Obviously you need a little more caution with the open-ender since you can still be out drawn on theTurn or River by a 4-flush, but this is a hand you can move forward with most of the time against known opponents ... any callers would have to have something connected so you really can't worry about bluffs before the Turn hits.If you are behind somehow with top set, you are still drawing to 10 outs on the River to suck out ... this is 1 out better than a flush draw, not bad!! I would have to agree with the commenters that in order to move beyond the Turn action, it would be nice to have more informaiton about any history with other players, but this is pretty much an ABC hand. Since you are first to act, how the table reacts to your Flop bet will determine your options on the Turn, especially with the open-ender. Any bet on the Turn of less than 40% pot will price in a flush or similar straight draw, so if you are comfortable with your action (or lack of re-action) on the Flop, you need to be ready to fire a fairly big bullet on the Turn if it is a major blank, especially with top set. Even if a 4-flush hits your opponets are going to be cautious of any Turn bet that you lead out with unless they have A, K or Q of clubs and you still could get rid of K or Q on the River in some cases with another bullet. Obviously if they have the A ... oopps!!When the board is strong, act strong, and in this case here you are strong anyway so that is good. You can never lose if your opponents all fold to you on the Flop or Turn, but you certainly can be an unhappy camper if you give them cheap cards to get to the River and out draw you. Good Luck and see you accross the felt.




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