DanielNegreanu, on Monday, April 30th, 2012, 1:00 AM, said:
Key hand I played today in the 25k high roller. I'll give you the details, you can discuss, then I'll chime in with my thought process: Isaac raised to 2900 from the cutoff and I called from the BB with red 88 (Blinds 600-1200 w 200 ante). The flop comes K 4 2 all diamonds. I check, he bet 5500, I make it 12,000, he goes all in for 22,000 more. I call. I'll add what happened next sometime tomorrow. Anyway, what do you think of the way I played the hand?
I actually like the call and think it's the best option considering the size of the stacks. If you 3-bet him to 10K are you ever folding to a shove considering his range? I mean KQ QJ even J10 suited are all decent enough hands to ship to a 3 bet here considering the likely ranges that 3-bet from the big. He's almost always folding small pairs unless he gets decides to spew (he's too good to do that), slim chance he ships with 77 or 66 but most of the time if he ships in that spot you're a flip or crushed, slightly ahead at best. You could do a smaller 3-bet to about 6.5-7.5K but he can still ship and if he calls in position what flops are you going to like? 3-betting is usually the best option but the stacks are only 30 odd bb deep and with antes the bet to get him off it has to be a bigger % of your stack than you want to commit with 88 pre-flop. By calling you keep the pot small, disguise the strength of your hand and keep him guessing. It also means you have more options on how to play there board post flop as you haven't defined your hand and the pot is small enough that you can call bets with implied odds (everybody knows how much Daniel likes his suited connectors).The re-raise on the flop is great for mixing it up and stops a few hands he continues with getting cheap turn cards, such as AQ,KJ,QJ,J10,109, or even 77,66,55,44. You also take away any equity he could have from bluffing at a face card hitting the turn that could but doesn't hit him such as Q (if he's playing KJ, J10 or even 77 to 44). Think he's almost always shipping BlankJd^ and probably even Blank10d which becomes a flip. 2 face cards on the flop is probably just a fold, but the re-raise is almost certainly better than just calling, as it's likely you have 11 outs considering the % of his range and if you call on the flop and he bets the turn what do you do? You could still have the best hand but a ship is easy to pick off is he does have a K or bigger pocket pair as with 3 diamonds you'd always raise 2 pair or a set on the flop. So I actually think calling the flop is probably the worst option as you have no fold equity on the turn and if a diamond does hit, you don't get paid if he doesn't have one and you probably get stacked if he does. You can't just fold the flop either with just the K, although shoving/re-raising are pretty similar, although a re-raise is a little more believable that you are strong. After his shove pot odds dictate a call against his range, so I don't get anybody who says that's bad as it's just standard really. Different lines work against different players and there are several ways to play this hand which would all be ok. However, re-raising pre-flop is a little pointless considering stack sizes if you feel your edge is post-flop which is undoubtedly the case for Daniel (you'd hate getting stacks in pre with 88 here, but are likely to be put to the test too often by a tough player like Haxton - although I don't know if he plays strong pre or post-flop). I don't mind shoving, but you give up any value you can have from what is a stronger hand a large % or the time, as he continues and then give up on a lot of boards with AX or KX and you inevitably get snap called by racing and dominating hands. Obviously folding is pre just always out of the question unless you feel your completely outclassed, but even then I think a shove is better.