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[Kevmath]

My Gmail inbox currently has over 30,000 emails.Exactly ZERO came from Pocket Kings, let alone any asking me to "shill" Annette's signing.Like Noah said, I've started quite a few threads in NVG on a variety of topics, how that's "shilling" in your terms is beyond me.

[Cruz]

First of all I have to give NoahSD a lot of credit for taking the time to give such a complete response.As far as Michael Minkoff goes though I think that he is over his head as a moderator. He just doesn't seem to be able to think things out. During the Great Spam Debate it was claimed, by Minkoff, that Daniel Negreanu was expecting special treatment when DN in fact was only asking for rational treatment. I think that it is actually Minkoff who has been getting the special treatment as a result of his a long time friendship and association with Malmuth and Sklansky. His banhammer should have been taken from him a long time ago.

[xxxshillxxx]

Kevmath, on Sunday, April 29th, 2012, 6:34 PM, said:

My Gmail inbox currently has over 30,000 emails.Exactly ZERO came from Pocket Kings, let alone any asking me to "shill" Annette's signing.Like Noah said, I've started quite a few threads in NVG on a variety of topics, how that's "shilling" in your terms is beyond me.

Check 4/30/10. If I'm mistaken I'm sorry. I remember seeing your email when I was cc'd. I also remember stating that I was waiting for you to post. I also remember after replying to FTP with that, that I was waiting for you to post. Then you were first post on subject.

[Lrgetrout]

xxxshillxxx, on Sunday, April 29th, 2012, 8:55 PM, said:

Check 4/30/10. If I'm mistaken I'm sorry. I remember seeing your email when I was cc'd. I also remember stating that I was waiting for you to post. I also remember after replying to FTP with that, that I was waiting for you to post. Then you were first post on subject.

Wait what? : fishyeyes :

[xxxshillxxx]

NoahSD, on Sunday, April 29th, 2012, 5:46 PM, said:

Anyway, OP obviously cares about this a lot, so I figure he deserves a thorough response.

Thanks for the response, I do care about it because I have time invested in that forum. And although the group is small, I do have followers who have fact check some of the things I have said.

NoahSD, on Sunday, April 29th, 2012, 5:46 PM, said:

OP is basically a decent poster who doesn't cause problems. He has a strong interest in a few theories of his (Sorry for putting words in your mouth, but I think you wouldn't object to that), which is fine. But, he has a tendency to make many long posts about them in threads that really aren't about them. These are annoying for other posters because

I do make posts that seem unrelated sometimes. In the case of Boyd vs Malmuth I had a post deleted for being unrelated, but really it was totally relevant to the thread. So I went into PM and asked PP permission to post out of respect because I knew thread was vengeance against Dutch and I didn't want my account banned. He gave me permission once I asked:This is the message that was sent:***************If it is not insulting and presents facts and opinion I should have no reason to delete.BTW I am not on the payroll, so it is not "my" law firm.But if you turn out to be a shill for Boyd or anyone else, I will ban you. Boyd's 2+2 account is not banned so if he want to speak here he can.***************I then went back to comment and comments were quickly deleted. Comments were related to thread and citing recent actions by Pokerstrategy.com as an example. Pokerstrategy.com is attacking affiliates who have generic term "poker strategy" in the name. I commented on how the tpt case would be cited and hurt poker affiliates. My comments were then being deleted and what comments left made no sense because others were gone. Some of my posts were direct answers to green mods asking me questions. My account was later temp banned and I feel as though PP actions were because of that day. I was threatened that my Caesars / Wynn Ties to organized crime thread would be deleted too:Here are pm's http://articles.lati.../me-pellicano18 Here is link to someone else who's life was threatened from people that I've exposed. This is why I will not reveal identity. I can tell you this - I have a lot of contacts in poker world especially with other writers. Also, I have many contacts in tech. You said I could post, I asked you permission and you said OK. Then when I posted you didnt like that fact I didnt agree with punishment.---End Quote---PP:Actually I am thinking you are a nut. You fail to recognize facts and laws and just continue to spout your beliefs without for a minute considering that you are wrong. You fail to prove that you are what you state, an investigative reporter in any fashion. Why shouldn't we close your thread and ban you?CC: mason malmuthAs you can see there Mason Malmuth is Cc'd. It is perfectly normal for me to believe he was involved in this decision because he wasn't cc'd the other times.

NoahSD, on Sunday, April 29th, 2012, 5:46 PM, said:

I don't think I've ever deleted any of OP's posts, but I have considered it at times because they're pretty derailing. (I did once move a thread of yours because I felt it was in the wrong forum. I don't really remember the story there, but I remember feeling sorta bad afterwards because you put a lot of work into it and weren't happy.) I think the other mods mostly left him alone before the day in question as well. I also never banned OP.

It was small post but it was my 1000th. It was regarding Megaupload.com owner being imprisoned or DOJ hacked. I was not that pissed and got over it.

NoahSD, on Sunday, April 29th, 2012, 5:46 PM, said:

Basically, I think most mods think of OP as someone who's really passionate about something, can be annoying about it, but doesn't really go too far. So, like, that's sorta the context.

I can understand that. People who do the amount of digging I do generally are obsessive and focused. To me the PPA posting there every day to have players call up congressmen to do that exact opposite of what I want is annoying to me. Also, people seem blind to facts like Jon Kyl and his obvious flip flop. I'm happy to not fall into majority opinion especially when I look at the FTP thread.

NoahSD, on Sunday, April 29th, 2012, 5:46 PM, said:

Background WRT 2p22p2's software sucks for moderating, and moderating NVG is really really hard, so that's a big problem. It particularly sucks in that it's really not set up properly to inform people when mods do take action. For example, there's no automatic notification to the user when her post is deleted, the room for the ban message is very short, and bans do not say which moderator banned them. I've been whining about this for a while, and pretty much everyone agrees that it should change as far as I can tell. But, 2p2 is very hesitant to make major changes to their forum software, so they haven't yet. I don't run one of the largest forums on the internet, so I don't really feel like I'm in a position to criticize them for that.This leads to a lot of confusion and anger from the few users who actually encounter mod action. Daniel experienced it not too long ago, and OP did as well. Mods have to deal with this, so it sucks for us as well.

Daniel's ban was much more different than mine. It is my belief that he was not banned because he posted twice like I did. I believe that confusion happened, but that he was banned for not being a paid advertiser. I think the aftermath was poorly handled as well.

NoahSD, on Sunday, April 29th, 2012, 5:46 PM, said:

Also, there are no grand conspiracies. In fact, the exact opposite is true: Mason almost never communicates with the mods at all. When someone has a situation that they don't know how to handle, Mat Sklansky usually responds, and Mat almost always says the exact same thing (paraphrased): "It's your call. Do what you think is right." Nobody has ever given me an order in my capacity as mod on 2p2, and it would be really weird if they did. That's like the exact opposite of a conspiracy.

I never thought there was a mass conspiracy against me at TPT. I felt as though PP have chip on his shoulder because of boyd thread and that you did also because of our debate on DD. I respectfully backed out of that because I did not want to hurt FTP or Kevmath. I apologized to you but never pressed the FTP backend again until yesterday.

NoahSD, on Sunday, April 29th, 2012, 5:46 PM, said:

Temp BanSo, OP posted something in that giant thread about Stars maybe buying FTP that PP deleted (I know Michael as PP, so I'll call him that). That thread was a nightmare because people were going there to read news and it was full of a billion derails and lots of crap, and it got a ton of complaints from users. (It's actually a really great example of a thread where moderating was really really needed, and a lot of people were thanking me for the effort that I put into making it slightly more readable.) So, I don't know why OP's post was deleted because the forums are down, but that's why it might have been. I don't really think that this is something that OP's complaining about.OP says he didn't know that it had been deleted, and I'll take him at his word. This goes back to the fact that 2p2's software sucks for moderating--OP should have gotten a message saying that it had been deleted, but the forum doesn't generate such messages. Ideally, PP would send OP a message, but that was a gigantic thread that needed a lot of moderation, so PMing everyone simply isn't at all practical.So, from his perspective, it might have been perfectly reasonable to just repost it. But, PP didn't know that OP was confused, obviously. (Maybe he should have assumed that he was confused? I don't know.) So, he saw this as OP deciding that he's just going to post shit whether mods want to delete it or not. Stuff like that is exactly why we have temp bans--to let someone who won't stop doing stuff that he obviously shouldn't do cool off. So, from PP's perspective that's a really obvious temp ban.

I disagree and think it was either PP being overzealous with me, or the context of the post:

NoahSD, on Sunday, April 29th, 2012, 5:46 PM, said:

Naturally, OP was really upset by this. He wrote a blog post about it calling PP and myself out (even though I'm not involved at all...). He tweeted at us on Twitter. Etc. I get that. It's a natural response. But, it's also not a good way to clear up a misunderstanding. It's really hard empathize with someone who's attacking you, though as mods we should try to.PermabanOP posted something in ATF complaining about his temp ban (don't remember the details). IMO, he should have every right to do so, but PP banned him. I completely disagree with this decision, and I said as much in the mod forum before the forum went down. I've talked about it with PP over skype just now, and he said he'll reconsider and he DMed OP to let him know.I mean.. he probably just made a mistake and will hopefully take it back. It's unfortunate, but mistakes are going to happen sometimes. It's particularly unfortunate because, in addition to you simply being upset that you're not allowed to psot on 2p2, which sucks already, you also now have come up with conspiracy theories about this stuff.

I was especially upset at the temp ban because of the innocence of the link to Forbes.com. I have a big problem with Pokerstars buying Full Tilt Poker for a number of reasons. Being temp banned at such a crucial time infuriated me. To me it's the equivalent of turning away voters at a registration center (being unable to post contrary to mass opinion on public forum) Although the site is a privately owned forum, it still is a public forum. Yes it is great that everyone is getting their money back, but the money should never have been taken in first place. I'm sure DN and I disagree on FTP's shortfalls, but we can always debate that here. Since the owners of PS are so mysterious, it's hard to research how they got their money. I find many issues with that meeting at sea between Wynn and Ps owner. First off why did PS need Wynn pre BF? Thee meetings were years ago and I don't believe the bills were public that stated that the owners of online poker licenses must have casino licenses with so many tables etc etc. But I could have missed something. Where these meetings to shed FTP by using Wynn's influence?

NoahSD, on Sunday, April 29th, 2012, 5:46 PM, said:

StickyI'd had this idea for a while to create a sticky in NVG that said something to the effect of "Please make sure that your post is something that other people will want to read." I recognize that this is a bit patronizing, but a really really big problem with NVG is that people post stuff that clearly doesn't pass that test--random insults of other posters, "first!", etc. And, I'd tried something similar in various threads--coming in and posting something like "Hey, guys, please stop posting stuff like _______ because it's not really contributing." and that level of simple honesty seemed to really work well. So, I thought I'd try it in a sticky.The sticky itself was a bit goofy because, well, it's the internet and it's NVG and goofy is the standard. I included some examples, and I tried to make stuff a bit funny. Obviously, that means mocking some people, but this is the Internet--Daniel said that I (or the mods in general or whatever) treat 2p2 like it's North Korea ITT, for example. That's just sorta how the Internet works, and I'm comfortable joking about these things. Sorry if it hurt your feelings, but I don't really think there was anything inappropriate about my tone.With that said, someone actually pointed out to me that the post of yours that I quoted was in response to a direct question, so didn't really fit the description. So, I simply made a mistake there. I'm sure you can understand from my perspective how that post looked like it was a derail. I'm sorry about that, and I was going to change it but the forums went down. (I'm not making this up.. It's in the ATF thread about my sticky.) I still will, of course.. Remind me if I forget.

I think goofy is a really poor word. Meme's are goofy and fun. Using my post as example simply is trying to make me look like a fool. The only place to complain was the about the forums section were I went. I was completely perm banned in seconds. What is really wrong about that sticky is that each statement had been quoted or posted rather in the forum or in the news. I stated a year ago that the FTP software would be leased out:Poker Domain SeizuresIn my opinion all of these studies the states are doing are wasting tax payers money. They could drag a third rate affiliate off any forum and that affiliate would be able to tell them that the state would not be able to get the conversions needed to have profitable poker eco system. You need thousands of players all day long to get games going. This leads me to the conclusion that the government went after Full Tilt Poker, UB, and Pokerstars to wipe out future competition for Caesars Entertainment Group. Once they have a bill in place for regulation of online poker, they will grant Caesars Entertainment Group a sweetheart license to run online poker sites in the USA. The state’s study will conclude that they can’t do it on their own, and that they will have to buy “skins” from Caesars Entertainment group. A skin is essentially a re-branded poker room that is running on the same network. So, let’s say the Rivers Casino Poker Room wants to do a online poker room after it passes Pennsylvania state law requirements. They will contact Caesars Entertainment group and purchase the rights to re-brand the software with their own logos. Users in Pittsburgh would log into Rivers Online Poker Room and would see graphics from Rivers Casino. In reality, they would be playing with people from all over the country and the world. Rivers Casino would get 40% of the revenue generated from only their players that are tracked to them, Caesars would get 50% and the state + US government would get the remaining 10%. This is why Harry Reid wanted a black out period…. He wanted to have Pokerstars and Full Tilt Poker cease their LEGAL operations in the US so that he could get all his ducks in a row for the passage of a bill that will clarify to banks that it’s actually legal to make deposits to online poker rooms.I had said Caesars because they owned 888. I later said Zynga. I did not know it would be Pokerstars, because I didn't understand how fast the PS situation could be reversed or why Wynn would should his friend in the foot. However, I discuss how these lobbyist can do reversals in short time spans as in the case of Abramoff with the indian casinos and Sun Cruz:Jack Abramoff Indain casinos

NoahSD, on Sunday, April 29th, 2012, 5:46 PM, said:

Some accusation of shilling for FTPYou've said this a few times. I don't know what it means. It's weird from my perspective to read that you have proof that I did things that I know I didn't do. I think you once posted what you meant, but I've since forgotten.A requestI really really don't like being accused of doing things that I haven't done publicly on the Internet. My reputation in the poker world is extremely important to me, and I put a lot of effort into trying to act as ethically as possible in this world. I mean.. I basically gave up nine months of my life to keep the poker community informed. It really bothers me that there are forum posts and blog posts and stuff about me saying that I've done things that I simply haven't.I get that you're saying this stuff because you think it's true, and I can handle a little name calling on the Internet. But, I would appreciate it if you considered my feelings, just like I think it's fair to say I've considered yours.

I think that you have considered my feelings today but not the other day when I was posted in the sticky. I agree that sometimes I take a shot in the dark with some of my hypothesis. I resent the use of the word "theories" or "conspiracy theories" to me those are worse that the word Shill because a shill is at least paid whilst a "theorist" is looked at like hes crazy. The shill attachment came because I still don't understand the access to the backend access stuff. Also , poker is not the only subject I research when it comes to lobbyist. Many politicians or FBI agents etc etc get well paying "security" jobs after they do the bidding of the lobbyist. So at first they don't make a profit, but once the legislation or bill gets passed , they soon get high paying consulting job. I could use Louis Freeh and Michael Chertoff as an example as both run security firms now. That was my logic and the use of the shill word was used to hurt you because of mocking me in that thread. I retracted it at DD and reinstated it when the post was put in the sticky section. Yes it would not make sense to further publicize something that one is trying to hide, but I took it as sort of you using your respected opinion to discredit me, thus not only discrediting me for that mere post but anything I've ever posted. That's why I took it very personal. Also, some of my posts that seem unrelated to you or the other mods will be relevant in a couple of months or one year. Just like when I posted about the time frame to make claim with DOJ (I think it was months before anyone else). I think that the sticky should be taken down and an apology issued in it's place for 3 days to 1 week after forum is back up. As I've stated before , I think you are a good person and I think your a brilliant person. I attribute much of that to your father who is also well spoken. You have to take in consideration the devastation that this is going to have on Poker affiliates. The players will get there money back, but we have way more time and money invested than the players and we are going to get totally screwed. Both you, Two Plus Two and DN should also take into consideration the dangers of a poker (casino) monopoly. Sorry for my long winded response. I am very tired and there may be some ramblings.

[NoahSD]

xxxshillxxx, on Sunday, April 29th, 2012, 9:26 PM, said:

I then went back to comment and comments were quickly deleted. Comments were related to thread and citing recent actions by Pokerstrategy.com as an example. Pokerstrategy.com is attacking affiliates who have generic term "poker strategy" in the name. I commented on how the tpt case would be cited and hurt poker affiliates. My comments were then being deleted and what comments left made no sense because others were gone. Some of my posts were direct answers to green mods asking me questions. My account was later temp banned and I feel as though PP actions were because of that day. I was threatened that my Caesars / Wynn Ties to organized crime thread would be deleted too:

I can follow this story up til this point. After that, I'm totally lost:

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Here are pm's http://articles.lati.../me-pellicano18 Here is link to someone else who's life was threatened from people that I've exposed. This is why I will not reveal identity. I can tell you this - I have a lot of contacts in poker world especially with other writers. Also, I have many contacts in tech. You said I could post, I asked you permission and you said OK. Then when I posted you didnt like that fact I didnt agree with punishment.---End Quote---PP:Actually I am thinking you are a nut. You fail to recognize facts and laws and just continue to spout your beliefs without for a minute considering that you are wrong. You fail to prove that you are what you state, an investigative reporter in any fashion. Why shouldn't we close your thread and ban you?CC: mason malmuthAs you can see there Mason Malmuth is Cc'd. It is perfectly normal for me to believe he was involved in this decision because he wasn't cc'd the other times.

Is that follows a series of PMs? Where does one person's statement begin and the other's end? Did you leave a on of the conversation out? Why are we talking about your desire to remain anonymous? Ahhh.. I'm confused.Without understanding the story, I can't really comment.

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I can understand that. People who do the amount of digging I do generally are obsessive and focused. To me the PPA posting there every day to have players call up congressmen to do that exact opposite of what I want is annoying to me. Also, people seem blind to facts like Jon Kyl and his obvious flip flop. I'm happy to not fall into majority opinion especially when I look at the FTP thread.

Yeah.. you also have a tendency to just sort of start talking about something else in the middle of a conversation. I get that you think they're related, but I don't know why I'm hearing about Jon Kyl flip flopping right now--I thought we were talking about your relationship with 2p2.You do this A LOT. It makes it very very hard to have a discussion with you--at least on the Internet.

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Daniel's ban was much more different than mine. It is my belief that he was not banned because he posted twice like I did. I believe that confusion happened, but that he was banned for not being a paid advertiser. I think the aftermath was poorly handled as well.

I think that was poorly handled to. I didn't really follow the details of that situation, so I can't say much, but I thought it was all sort of silly.However, you seem to be confused since Daniel is a Stars sponsored pro, and Stars is a huge sponsor of 2p2 from what I can tell. (I don't know anything about 2p2's financials, but I know that they sponsor the PokerCast and I assume that they show ads to non-Americans and stuff.)"I never thought there was a mass conspiracy against me at TPT. I felt as though PP have chip on his shoulder because of boyd thread and that you did also because of our debate on DD. I respectfully backed out of that because I did not want to hurt FTP or Kevmath. I apologized to you but never pressed the FTP backend again until yesterday." Huh? We had a debate on DD? Is DD DonkDown or something else? I don't remember any such debate. I would guess that PP doesn't really remember the Boyd thread either.

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I disagree and think it was either PP being overzealous with me, or the context of the post:

Eh. He banned you because you reposted it after it was deleted. He actually happened to mention that in the mod forum right after it happened (It's not common for mods to talk about things like that with each other, but we were all talking about that huge thread, so it came up). It's easy to assign a more complicated motive, but from a mod's perspective it's just really really obvious that that's what a temp ban is for--plus he told me that that's what it was for immediately after it happened.Again, I bet PP had already basically forgotten the content of the post by the time that he temp banned you. There's very simple logic to "I deleted a post because I felt it clearly didn't belong. Poster ignored that fact and decided to repost it. I could delete it again, but he'll probably just post it again. So, I'll ban him for a day so he stops doing that." Obviously that logic was slightly wrong because you apparently didn't know that the post was deleted, but it's exactly why we give out temp bans."I was especially upset at the temp ban because of the innocence of the link to Forbes.com. I have a big problem with Pokerstars buying Full Tilt Poker for a number of reasons. Being temp banned at such a crucial time infuriated me. To me it's the equivalent of turning away voters at a registration center (being unable to post contrary to mass opinion on public forum) Although the site is a privately owned forum, it still is a public forum. Yes it is great that everyone is getting their money back, but the money should never have been taken in first place. I'm sure DN and I disagree on FTP's shortfalls, but we can always debate that here. Since the owners of PS are so mysterious, it's hard to research how they got their money. I find many issues with that meeting at sea between Wynn and Ps owner. First off why did PS need Wynn pre BF? Thee meetings were years ago and I don't believe the bills were public that stated that the owners of online poker licenses must have casino licenses with so many tables etc etc. But I could have missed something. Where these meetings to shed FTP by using Wynn's influence?"Again.. you weren't temp banned because of your post. You were temp banned because you reposted it after it was deleted. You probably could've gotten it reversed by contacting someone calmly.(FWIW, if you'd PMed a mod about that post explaining why it was relevant, PP would probably have let you repost it. I get that you didn't realize it was deleted, but I thought I'd mention.)

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I think goofy is a really poor word. Meme's are goofy and fun. Using my post as example simply is trying to make me look like a fool. The only place to complain was the about the forums section were I went. I was completely perm banned in seconds. What is really wrong about that sticky is that each statement had been quoted or posted rather in the forum or in the news. I stated a year ago that the FTP software would be leased out:

I agree that you shouldn't have been permabanned. I feel pretty strongly about that, actually, though it's PP's decision whether or not to reverse it--not mine. That's why I posted in the mod forum about it after it happened.Actually one of the things that bugs me about this thread and your blog post and your tweets and stuff is that I keep getting lumped in with this decision. My only involvement is that I'm also a mod on 2p2 and that I immediately and consistently said that it was inappropriate.WRT my sticky, I'm sorry that you were the butt of the joke, but I mean, lighten up. I made fun of a post that you made on an Internet forum. Two other people who were quoted in the thread actually thought it was funny. (And both agreed to be more considerate when posting.)

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Poker Domain SeizuresIn my opinion all of these studies the states are doing are wasting tax payers money. They could drag a third rate affiliate off any forum and that affiliate would be able to tell them that the state would not be able to get the conversions needed to have profitable poker eco system. You need thousands of players all day long to get games going. This leads me to the conclusion that the government went after Full Tilt Poker, UB, and Pokerstars to wipe out future competition for Caesars Entertainment Group. Once they have a bill in place for regulation of online poker, they will grant Caesars Entertainment Group a sweetheart license to run online poker sites in the USA. The state’s study will conclude that they can’t do it on their own, and that they will have to buy “skins” from Caesars Entertainment group. A skin is essentially a re-branded poker room that is running on the same network. So, let’s say the Rivers Casino Poker Room wants to do a online poker room after it passes Pennsylvania state law requirements. They will contact Caesars Entertainment group and purchase the rights to re-brand the software with their own logos. Users in Pittsburgh would log into Rivers Online Poker Room and would see graphics from Rivers Casino. In reality, they would be playing with people from all over the country and the world. Rivers Casino would get 40% of the revenue generated from only their players that are tracked to them, Caesars would get 50% and the state + US government would get the remaining 10%. This is why Harry Reid wanted a black out period…. He wanted to have Pokerstars and Full Tilt Poker cease their LEGAL operations in the US so that he could get all his ducks in a row for the passage of a bill that will clarify to banks that it’s actually legal to make deposits to online poker rooms.I had said Caesars because they owned 888. I later said Zynga. I did not know it would be Pokerstars, because I didn't understand how fast the PS situation could be reversed or why Wynn would should his friend in the foot. However, I discuss how these lobbyist can do reversals in short time spans as in the case of Abramoff with the indian casinos and Sun Cruz:Jack Abramoff Indain casinos

Again, I don't know what this has to do with anything. I'm trying to listen here, man, but you're really not making it easy on me.

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I think that you have considered my feelings today but not the other day when I was posted in the sticky.

Eh.. we're talking about two different things:1) You accusing me of having vague nefarious relationships with companies that, if they did exist, would completely ruin my reputation2) Me quoting something you said on a message board with some lighthearted jabs.I mean.. I'm sorry that that upset you. I don't think I should have anticipated that.

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I agree that sometimes I take a shot in the dark with some of my hypothesis. I resent the use of the word "theories" or "conspiracy theories" to me those are worse that the word Shill because a shill is at least paid whilst a "theorist" is looked at like hes crazy. The shill attachment came because I still don't understand the access to the backend access stuff. Also , poker is not the only subject I research when it comes to lobbyist. Many politicians or FBI agents etc etc get well paying "security" jobs after they do the bidding of the lobbyist. So at first they don't make a profit, but once the legislation or bill gets passed , they soon get high paying consulting job. I could use Louis Freeh and Michael Chertoff as an example as both run security firms now. That was my logic and the use of the shill word was used to hurt you because of mocking me in that thread. I retracted it at DD and reinstated it when the post was put in the sticky section. Yes it would not make sense to further publicize something that one is trying to hide, but I took it as sort of you using your respected opinion to discredit me, thus not only discrediting me for that mere post but anything I've ever posted. That's why I took it very personal. Also, some of my posts that seem unrelated to you or the other mods will be relevant in a couple of months or one year. Just like when I posted about the time frame to make claim with DOJ (I think it was months before anyone else).

"The shill attachment came because I still don't understand the access to the backend access stuff."FTP didn't give me that information. They were extremely pissed that it came out, of course."I think that the sticky should be taken down and an apology issued in it's place for 3 days to 1 week after forum is back up."That's not going to happen. I'll remove the quote, though. I was already going to because it turns out it wasn't a great example given the context (someone was super cool to point that out in the ATF thread), but also because there's no need to leave something like that up if it upsets you as much as it seems to. I'll forget, so you should remind me because I assume you won't forget."As I've stated before , I think you are a good person and I think your a brilliant person. I attribute much of that to your father who is also well spoken."Thanks for the kind words. My dad's a great guy. I'm really surprised that he's coming up, though."You have to take in consideration the devastation that this is going to have on Poker affiliates. The players will get there money back, but we have way more time and money invested than the players and we are going to get totally screwed. Both you, Two Plus Two and DN should also take into consideration the dangers of a poker (casino) monopoly."I mean.. I think 2p2's mostly interested in running a poker forum and publishing books; I assume DN's probably isn't worried about the company that he works for having a monopoly; and I'm mostly interested in my security gig and upcoming grad school life. Plus, I recorded Game of Thrones, and I'm super psyched about that.In other words... Relax."Sorry for my long winded response. I am very tired and there may be some ramblings."lol at apologizing to me for being long-winded. It would be cool if you could try to keep your... I don't know what you want me to call them because you nixed theories... out of it, though.Regardless, get some sleep, man. We're arguing about your ban on a forum that doesn't even exist currently! It can wait.

[xxxshillxxx]

NoahSD, on Sunday, April 29th, 2012, 10:31 PM, said:

Thanks for the kind words. My dad's a great guy. I'm really surprised that he's coming up, though.

Your dad is mentioned because I found a quote of his regarding journalism:Perhaps NYU professor Mitchell Stephens said it best:”[O]pinion is a way of getting at the truth, and we tend to forget that sometimes in America. Sometimes you think that American journalism has gotten so opinionphobic that it has lost a tool that contributes to people’s understanding.”