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#101 mrdannyg

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:46 AM

View PostInternetExplorer, on 13 July 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

US TIPS bonds have been negative since 2010. real yields on US debt below 10y have been negative since like 2009.
Both those are only negative on an inflation-adjusted basis. From what I read, looks like Switzerland (as well as Germany, Denmark and even France) were unadjusted negative.
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 02:16 PM

View Postmrdannyg, on 16 July 2012 - 06:46 AM, said:

Both those are only negative on an inflation-adjusted basis. From what I read, looks like Switzerland (as well as Germany, Denmark and even France) were unadjusted negative.
is that so?
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 04:41 AM

View PostInternetExplorer, on 16 July 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

I don't really know what I'm looking at, but it says they are interpolated real curves. Real meaning inflation-adjusted.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 03:26 PM

and what you're looking at from european countries, those aren't TIPS-like securities as well?
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:40 AM

A quick skim of this article doesn't lead me to believe they're talking about real rates, though I agree it does seem ridiculous.http://www.ft.com/cm...l#axzz20zcvocLaAs discussed, I'm too lazy and disinterested to answer the question properly, which would probably take 3 minutes.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:21 PM

I'm gonna ask my blog readership. I don't know if they're talking real or not. if not, it makes absolutely no sense to me that US treasuries should be >0 in this scenario.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 04:56 AM

Spain five-year borrowing costs hit highest since 1996
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 04:05 AM

The shit is really hitting the fan today.http://www.businessi...arket-45-2012-7http://www.businessi...rd-highs-2012-7
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 05:15 PM

am I crazy to feel a little annoyed that the world recovery paused for over two years because europe doesn't want to face its reality?
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 02:28 AM

View PostInternetExplorer, on 24 July 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

am I crazy to feel a little annoyed that the world recovery paused for over two years because europe doesn't want to face its reality?
europe is a bunch of pussies, they don't want to face anything. Wait until BHO wins the next election, in 4 years you will be asking the same question about the US...
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 05:42 AM

View Postakoff, on 25 July 2012 - 02:28 AM, said:

europe is a bunch of pussies
Oh, yeah, I'm really liking the insightful conversation that's taking place here.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 06:31 AM

View PostInternetExplorer, on 24 July 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

am I crazy to feel a little annoyed that the world recovery paused for over two years because europe doesn't want to face its reality?
I'm very annoyed.Is There Even a Panic Button in Europe?
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:01 AM

View Postakoff, on 25 July 2012 - 02:28 AM, said:

europe is a bunch of pussies, they don't want to face anything. Wait until BHO wins the next election, in 4 years you will be asking the same question about the US...
no we won't. People who compare the two situations are wildly ignorant and generally unaware that Reagan and the Bushes are responsible for the majority of our debt.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 04:25 PM

their % of our debt is so quickly changing, though. best get ready to retire that argument!europe's creditor nations are trying to get the best terms out of the unsustainables AND the boldholders. that's all this has been, for the last two years. part of me wants to say, well, if it were us, I'd think it totally reasonable to pursue the best deal possible. but at some point, it starts to be cumulatively more expensive [where would they be right now if they didn't delay themselves into a double-dip?] to kick the can down the road than it would be to make the necessary changes and bring rates down again. that point has probably already passed, all things considered. I feel like they will eventually just be doling out bailout money in such volume as if there were a fiscal union, sometime in the next few cycles of high bond yields. so, maybe another few months of this before they break? a year?****. a year is my optimistic scenario. ****.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 07:56 AM

View PostCaneBrain, on 25 July 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

no we won't. People who compare the two situations are wildly ignorant and generally unaware that Reagan and the Bushes are responsible for the majority of our debt.
I didn't realize that the source of debt had bearing on the results of debt....
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