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#21 FCP Bob

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 04:34 PM

View PostBalloon guy, on Monday, April 2nd, 2012, 8:30 PM, said:

What about deserters?
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 04:46 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on Monday, April 2nd, 2012, 5:34 PM, said:

What do you expect..you have quite a bit of deserters from vietnam that you allowed to stay...of course you are a magnet now.
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:34 AM

View PostBalloon guy, on Monday, April 2nd, 2012, 3:52 PM, said:

Actually some migrant workers make more than enough to house and feed a family of 4.Look at grape pickers, many of them make over $50K a year, it's a skill to pick grapes properly ( table grapes ) since every single pallet of grapes picked is inspected by the USDA for sugar content and if the 4 lugs they pick fail, the pickers who picked that lug are required to re-pack the lug at their own expense.Migrant workers are like any other worker, the higher skilled the higher wage. The more workers, the lower wages, when there is a shortage, farmers pay a premium.The farmer I worked for joined with a bunch of the other farmers in the area to buy a 40 acre field to build a campground with showers and laundry facilities at an expense of about $500K. The California government stopped them because they said if they wanted to build a 'housing facility' they would be required to conform to crazy specs that boosted the price tag to millions. So instead migrant workers live 4-5 families to a trailer with no electricity or running water.My point was merely to disprove the notion that there are no 'criminally underpaid' migrant workers. Not as a rule anyway. Not in California.
Good post. Thanks for disproving the notion that there are no 'criminally unerpaid' migrant workers based on your very limited and dated personal experience, which involved almost no direct contact with migrant workers. Oh, except an unsupported suggestion that a bunch of farmers used to get together and kindly let hundreds (thousands?) of them live together in a field with *gasp* shower AND laundry facilities, but that they don't do that anymore and so now they live 4-5 families in a trailer with no electricity or running water.
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:55 AM

View PostFCP Bob, on Monday, April 2nd, 2012, 1:58 PM, said:

That's a good move since without it you can be denied even for a visit with a criminal record.
Canada and US Border authorities share access to NCIC/III (and our border guards get access to the Canadian equivalent), so it's basically 100% certain that anyone with a past felony (even DUIs) will be denied entry.
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 10:54 AM

View Postmrdannyg, on Tuesday, April 3rd, 2012, 8:34 AM, said:

Good post.
Thanks
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 03:11 PM

View Postmrdannyg, on Tuesday, April 3rd, 2012, 8:34 AM, said:

Good post. Thanks for disproving the notion that there are no 'criminally unerpaid' migrant workers based on your very limited and dated personal experience, which involved almost no direct contact with migrant workers. Oh, except an unsupported suggestion that a bunch of farmers used to get together and kindly let hundreds (thousands?) of them live together in a field with *gasp* shower AND laundry facilities, but that they don't do that anymore and so now they live 4-5 families in a trailer with no electricity or running water.
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 04:07 PM

View PostBalloon guy, on Tuesday, April 3rd, 2012, 2:54 PM, said:

Thanks

View Postcolonel Feathers, on Tuesday, April 3rd, 2012, 7:11 PM, said:

What, you approve a bg post?
both of these were funny for very different reasons.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:49 AM

Canada’s job gains blow past forecasts

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OTTAWA — Canada’s economy gained a surprisingly robust 82,300 jobs in March, with the unemployment rate edging down to 7.2%, Statistics Canada said Thursday. The jump in employment last month — led by full-time private-sector hiring — follows a loss of 2,800 positions in February, which had pushed the jobless rate to 7.4%. “The report suggests that after several months of tepid hiring, job growth here is starting to show some signs of renewed life,” said Emanuella Enenajor, an economist at CIBC World Markets. Economists had expected about 10,500 jobs to be added in March, and the jobless rate to remaining flat.ARTICLE CONTINUED AT LINK ABOVE

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 01:35 PM

View Postmrdannyg, on Monday, April 2nd, 2012, 6:37 AM, said:

Basically, the Conservatives are basically cranky old white guys who have personal beliefs I disagree with, but are able to manage fiscally in a manner not significantly better or worse than other groups with more progressive views.If it was up to me, Paul Martin would be elected dictator-for-life.
If this were the case why did they move to protect same sex marriage when it's validity between non citizens was challenged in court? http://www.cbc.ca/ne...x-marriage.html
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:53 AM

View Postaucu, on Sunday, April 8th, 2012, 6:35 PM, said:

If this were the case why did they move to protect same sex marriage when it's validity between non citizens was challenged in court? http://www.cbc.ca/ne...x-marriage.html
I don't get what you're saying. Just because a group has less progressive views than others doesn't mean their views are not at all progressive. I guess if we want to be more precise, I could say that the Conservatives social policy is as minimally progressive as possible, given the culture and progressive views of Canadians.In this specific case, which I think this was discussed here, and if I'm recalling correctly, there was a giant public backlash to a ruling otherwise. There's no question the conservatives had to at least discuss the matter.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:30 PM

View Postmrdannyg, on Thursday, April 12th, 2012, 8:53 AM, said:

I don't get what you're saying. Just because a group has less progressive views than others doesn't mean their views are not at all progressive. I guess if we want to be more precise, I could say that the Conservatives social policy is as minimally progressive as possible, given the culture and progressive views of Canadians.In this specific case, which I think this was discussed here, and if I'm recalling correctly, there was a giant public backlash to a ruling otherwise. There's no question the conservatives had to at least discuss the matter.
There was and is a lot of fear mongering by the opposition about hidden agendas, Harper=Bush, Harper=Tea Party and general scariness that is disingenuous at best and not being supported by ongoing events.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:09 AM

View Postaucu, on Friday, April 13th, 2012, 12:30 AM, said:

There was and is a lot of fear mongering by the opposition about hidden agendas, Harper=Bush, Harper=Tea Party and general scariness that is disingenuous at best and not being supported by ongoing events.
Don't you hate those people who just wait for you to finish talking, then say whatever they were planning in the first place?
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 07:01 PM

View Postmrdannyg, on 02 April 2012 - 05:37 AM, said:

QUOTE (FCP Bob @ Saturday, March 31st, 2012, 4:23 PM)The Liberals were in power from 1993-2006 with the Conservatives since then winning 2 minority governements and a majority the last election that we had.The Liberals under Chretien were quite fiscally Conservative and went from a large Budget Deficit to a large Surplus while in office.The Liberals are center left and the Conservatives are center right. The NDP are the far left wingers who call themselves a Social Democratic Party and they've never been and never will be in power although they are currently the Official Opposition and the second largest party in Parliament.Basically, the Conservatives are basically cranky old white guys who have personal beliefs I disagree with, but are able to manage fiscally in a manner not significantly better or worse than other groups with more progressive views.If it was up to me, Paul Martin would be elected dictator-for-life. QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Saturday, March 31st, 2012, 9:53 PM)They don't even have any food they are known for.Except Syrup...Which is a condiment.Canada: America's condimentSyrup is a beverage, idiot. QUOTE (colonel Feathers @ Saturday, March 31st, 2012, 11:29 PM)I cannot argue with that one.Nor will I argue where the best hockey players come from,<not including the old soviet union>So Ill just lounge back here on coco beach and order another daiquiriI hope the criminally underpaid illegal mexican making it for you doesn't spit in it or poision your rich ass.
No way would I ever allow an immigrant, to mix my drink. And theres alot more rich to me than my ass.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:50 AM

View Postmrdannyg, on 13 April 2012 - 04:09 AM, said:

QUOTE (aucu @ Friday, April 13th, 2012, 12:30 AM)There was and is a lot of fear mongering by the opposition about hidden agendas, Harper=Bush, Harper=Tea Party and general scariness that is disingenuous at best and not being supported by ongoing events.Don't you hate those people who just wait for you to finish talking, then say whatever they were planning in the first place?
Farm workers are generally well paid.
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Posted 13 May 2012 - 10:07 PM

Meh this isnt the paradise that it is made out to be, soon prisoners will no longer be provided with free porn!!!

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 09:24 AM

The Average Canadian is Now Richer than the Average AmericanW

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Watch out, Americans: Your thrifty, socialist neighbors to the north have stealthily become richer than you.Over the past five years, the average net worth of Canadian households has exceeded that of American households. So for the the first time in history, Canadians are wealthier than Americans — by more than $40,000, on average. In 2011, the average net worth of a Canadian household was $363,202, compared to $319,970 in the U.S., according to Environics Analytics WealthScapes data published in the Globe and Mail. (‘Average net worth’ measures the total combined value of a household’s liquid and real estate assets, minus debt.)Read more: http://newsfeed.time.../#ixzz20txwZz00
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:15 AM

still live in canada tho

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:56 PM

Plus all that money you have has birds and pink ink and stuff.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:11 AM

when did being average become something to be proud of? the fact that americans (in general terms) piss away money and don't understand how wealth is created is sad...it does allow those of us who understand an easier time.
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