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#21 Balloon guy

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 04:05 PM

View Postvbnautilus, on Wednesday, January 11th, 2012, 12:08 PM, said:

Well here's what he actually said:As recent advances in cosmology suggest, the laws of gravity and quantum theory allow universes to appear spontaneously from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.You can read it in context if you'd like to understand his views better: http://online.wsj.co...1609024244.html
"So as long as there is stuff (laws, matter, energy ) then we don't need no excuse for how the stuff got here!"
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 04:19 PM

View PostBalloon guy, on Wednesday, January 11th, 2012, 5:05 PM, said:

"So as long as there is stuff (laws, matter, energy ) then we don't need no excuse for how the stuff got here!"
Yeah, your explanation is much better. How did god get there again?

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 08:17 PM

View Postvbnautilus, on Wednesday, January 11th, 2012, 7:19 PM, said:

Yeah, your explanation is much better. How did god get there again?
He always existed, duh. Who do you think wrote those equations down in the first place? It's not like they simply always existed. That wouldn't make any sense!

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 05:58 AM

It's the age old ''chicken or the egg'' question. I peronsally think there is room to believe that there can be God and that the evolutionary theory can be correct as well.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 09:06 AM

View Postvbnautilus, on Wednesday, January 11th, 2012, 4:19 PM, said:

Yeah, your explanation is much better. How did god get there again?
Impersonal stuff blindly flowing forward in time/space is different than a Personal God outside of all time/spaceThe assumption that the Creator of matter must obey the laws of matter is your flaw.Well one of your flaws.
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 12:48 PM

View PostDJ Vu, on Wednesday, January 11th, 2012, 10:44 AM, said:

No, see, it's like this.1. Create time machine.2. Activate time machine and then leave area.3. Future you exits the time machine.4. Original you stays out of the way until it's time to go into time machine.5. Future you is now in the past and can make money in the stock market.6. Future you is now in an altered timeline.7. Original you is in a time machine loop.Bam. Penetrate that logic.
Why is original you in a time machine loop? Wouldn't there just always be a period of time when original and future you co-exist, then original you steps into the time machine and future you moves on, now a rich man? Then original you is future you, a new you is original you, and it starts over again. Wait, what?

View PostLongLiveYorke, on Wednesday, January 11th, 2012, 9:17 PM, said:

He always existed, duh. Who do you think wrote those equations down in the first place? It's not like they simply always existed. That wouldn't make any sense!
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View PostBalloon guy, on Thursday, January 12th, 2012, 10:06 AM, said:

Impersonal stuff blindly flowing forward in time/space is different than a Personal God outside of all time/spaceThe assumption that the Creator of matter must obey the laws of matter is your flaw.Well one of your flaws.
Heh. BG still doesn't understand physics.Well, neither do I, but I don't try to make claims that something could live outside of all time and space. I feel like you'd first have to understand how time and space work if you didn't want to look like an...oh.
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 01:34 PM

Faith allows for anything to be possible.
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 01:37 PM

View PostSBriand, on Thursday, January 12th, 2012, 2:34 PM, said:

Faith allows for anything to be possible.
This is the truth. It is impossible to prove or disprove the existance of god. A lot of very bright people have wasted a lot of time on this. ah, what am I doing in the religion forum?

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 02:56 PM

View PostDubey, on Thursday, January 12th, 2012, 1:37 PM, said:

This is the truth. It is impossible to prove or disprove the existance of god. A lot of very bright people have wasted a lot of time on this. ah, what am I doing in the religion forum?
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 07:39 PM

View PostDubey, on Thursday, January 12th, 2012, 2:37 PM, said:

A lot of very bright people have wasted a lot of time on this.
I can't think of any.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 08:19 AM

View Postvbnautilus, on Thursday, January 12th, 2012, 7:39 PM, said:

I can't think of wouldn't know any.

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