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[CorvairShaggy]

kobe2odom8, on Thursday, December 29th, 2011, 8:49 PM, said:

Ya I don't have much of a future so I said **** it, Cabo for 6 months, I'm down. I've made a good amount of money the first few months and really enjoyed the town. The weather and the food is great, everyone is very friendly and speaks decent English. I'll be coming back in March and re evaluating my future, but until then lets party naked and enjoy Mexico.

I wish I could be 20-something again. At least I have no kids, so life is not totally over.

[BillyPilgrim]

kobe2odom8, on Thursday, December 29th, 2011, 8:49 PM, said:

back off my babe

[donk4life]

Billy and I had some good times back in the day. I remember that one night when a bird said to Billy, "Poo-tee-tweet.'

[kobe2odom8]

CorvairShaggy, on Thursday, December 29th, 2011, 6:51 PM, said:

I wish I could be 20-something again. At least I have no kids, so life is not totally over.

good to see you again

[BillyPilgrim]

donk4life, on Thursday, December 29th, 2011, 9:03 PM, said:

Billy and I had some good times back in the day. I remember that one night when a bird said to Billy, "Poo-tee-tweet.'

you popped my e-gay anal cherry. and you did it with class and style. oh the memories.

[TwstdWrstr]

BigDMcGee, on Thursday, December 29th, 2011, 7:21 PM, said:

He's a NIU alumnus, It should be rather obvious he does not.

pretty sure he went to UNI not Northern illinoiscmon man

[CobaltBlue]

The death of online poker is somewhat exaggerated. Maimed, perhaps...dead, no.FCP will continue to have some life. I have preferred it to the other public poker forums because it is my original home and community. That said, there is very little replenishing blood coming in due to lack of promotion. It may not be worth it for DN to promote it anymore. I've somewhat slowed on following poker media the past year, so I'm also rather unaware about how much he's been in the limelight.

[BigDMcGee]

TwstdWrstr, on Thursday, December 29th, 2011, 11:38 PM, said:

pretty sure he went to UNI not Northern illinoiscmon man

Deepest apologies to huskie nation

[BillyPilgrim]

just in case anyone is wondering: i knew it was northern iowa and i still hope he dies.

[rcgs59]

kobe2odom8, on Thursday, December 29th, 2011, 9:44 PM, said:

u should see how he attacks rose from every direction, zing.

lol but does he know he gets attacked in every which way , got to love bricker, donkieIan and you honey the banter will go onJust came home from playing a 130 man tournament, I built my chippies to x3 the 1st hour then totally choke and go card dead oh well it was a blast , great table. If Daniel spent 1/10th of his tweeter time on this forum them there might be a happy girl lol

[king_tanner]

rcgs59, on Thursday, December 29th, 2011, 11:33 PM, said:

If Daniel spent 1/10th of his tweeter time on this forum them there might be a happy girl lol

Daniel hates you. He told me.

DanielNegreanu, on Monday, November 21st, 2011, 8:38 PM, said:

I hate Rose so much.

oh cmon Daniel!

[rcgs59]

:(What thread is that from Kingtanner

[BigDMcGee]

You're awfully needy in this thread Rose. Demanding on what Daniel should do for you, as if he owes you anything. perhaps, if instead of you making co-dependant demands of him..why don't you give him some incentive to contribute to the forum. Maybe if you did something nice for him, he'd be inclined to make more appearances, say hi to you. Maybe if you made him, say.. a nice piece of pottery, he'd feel obligated to chit chat with you.

[DiamondDixie]

Derailing again....Yes there are plenty of sleazy low lives in poker but I spent years in the corporate world and more years in the academic world and I've seen as much dishonestly and backstabbing and angle shooting in both those worlds as I have in poker. Many people by nature are lazy ass douchebags who had rather cheat to get ahead than work hard or they just have no talent or ability to get ahead any other way. In the poker world these days cheaters get called out and as a rule once that happens it's pretty much over for them, at least most of the time but in the corporate world they usually get rewarded for their underhanded illegal shit. I live in a small town and I know of several people who have been arrested for embezzlement, fraud and other illegal crap and I know plenty more who've done it gotten away with it, continue to get away with it and profit from it. Moral of the story, people are generally lazy, backstabbing, underhanded sleazebags but plenty are not! The poker world is no worse than any other world. Trust no one and never be disappointed. I do think some legislation or intrastate poker at least will happen, I think it's pretty much inevitable. Too much money for our grubby government to give up. When it does, things like this forum will improve. As for Jesus and Howard, no I didn't know them personally and I was pretty much being facetious. I have no faith in anyone so I'm never disappointed :-)

[BigDMcGee]

DiamondDixie, on Friday, December 30th, 2011, 3:19 AM, said:

Derailing again....Yes there are plenty of sleazy low lives in poker but I spent years in the corporate world and more years in the academic world and I've seen as much dishonestly and backstabbing and angle shooting in both those worlds as I have in poker. Many people by nature are lazy ass douchebags who had rather cheat to get ahead than work hard or they just have no talent or ability to get ahead any other way. In the poker world these days cheaters get called out and as a rule once that happens it's pretty much over for them, at least most of the time but in the corporate world they usually get rewarded for their underhanded illegal shit. I live in a small town and I know of several people who have been arrested for embezzlement, fraud and other illegal crap and I know plenty more who've done it gotten away with it, continue to get away with it and profit from it.

See, here's where I disagree with you completely. How is it "over" for poker cheats? What has ever come Doyle Brunson's way other than fame and a huge economic windfall? hell, he even dabbled in securities fraud with a fake WPT buy out back in the day (and how he never got fined or charges brought against he for that, I 'll never know). What punishment has Russ Hamiltion, a man people know, for a fact , stole millions from the poker community? THe man still travels the country playing poker. He still hustles golf in vegas. Exactly zero has ever happened to Russ. Daniel himself called Men the Master out, on several occasions, for being caught with tournament chips in a cooler at Foxwoods. What ever happened to men, other than becoming a minor poker celebrity and Poker Cribs visiting his house? What poker rooms has he been banned from? what tournaments is he not allowed to play? Who the hell even remembers that incident anymore? Howard and Jesus might go to jail because they broke the law, but it was securities laws that they broke, not any laws governing poker itself. If two or more players collude against you, nothing legal happens to them. They can get barred from a poker room. Banned from an online account. But another account is a finger tip away. A new poker room is just down the street.. At least, with corporate fraud, embezzlement and the like, there are laws against it. Fines that can be levied. Theoretical punishments. THey may not be enforced, but the laws are there. There's NOTHING illegal about marking a deck of cards at a casino. Nothing illegal about getting on skype with 3 friends and colluding in an online room. No punishments. No consequences. At least, when Doyle was coming up there was at least some threat that an angry oil man was going to come after him with a gun for cheating him. BUt now, there's not even that threat. Hamilton can yuk it up on the golf course with lane flack and no one does shit. He can play 2-5 in a casino, and the only thing these poker geeks will do is embarrass him and then blog about it on 2+2 as if they are some kind of hero. if one of these online pros that Russ stole 100's of K from had an speck of steel in them, Russ would be buried in the desert. But they are all a bunch of pussies, crying about how dishonest AP/UB was, and Russ gets to keep laughing at them all and conning golfing fish. That's what drives me crazy about these 2+2 vigilantes. THey are great at uncovering cheats. Great at exposing them. Great poking holes in stories, researching who people are, great at all kinds of that sort of thing. But you know what they are shit at? Actually doing something about it. So you exposed a cheat. Cool. Now what? He gets a new account and cheats again. Cool. That to me is why I view poker on it's highest levels with such skepticism. There is no consequence for cheating. Public scorn of computer geeks not a deterrent. Having nasty threads written about you is not a deterrent. So, with no real consequences, all we have to protect ourselves from cheats is hoping that the better angels of the human spirit will prevail and that everyone will elect not to cheat. Good luck with that.

[AmScray]

Everything you said hinges on this one sentence....

DiamondDixie, on Friday, December 30th, 2011, 1:19 AM, said:

The poker world is no worse than any other world.

... and that sentence is wrong. The poker world is way, way, WAY worse than 'other worlds' in terms of lack of integrity, predatory personality types, general shitbagginess. For you to think that tells that you don't have much experience in that world, beyond very superficial stuff. It doesn't mean that all poker players are bad, but poker has always been a magnet for a certain dysfunctional personality type that brings with him/her a whole host of other associated personal failings that most sane people want nothing to do with.I've been interested in a lot of things in my life. I'm a 'man of interests'. My interests define who I am at any given space in time. I've been a drunkard, a drug addict. I've participated in the higher levels of the advertising world, commercial art/design. I've been a comedian, a gangsta, a peacenik, a gun nut, a racist, a traveler, a prisoner, a professional poker player, a collector, a mechanic, a classical guitarist, an enabler and a paid archivist. I've been a shut-in, a bartender, a speculator. I'm the sort of dude who has books written about his eccentric and intensely interesting, well-varied life. For whatever disadvantages living a non-standard life has brought, it has afforded me the precious advantage of understanding everything about the human animal. Of all the groups and troupes and niches, tribes and cliques and coteries I've been a part of or observed (from the inside or out), poker players register at the absolute apex of 'undesirable types'. They actually beat out prisoners by a fair margin.

[Balloon guy]

BigDMcGee, on Friday, December 30th, 2011, 2:09 AM, said:

See, here's where I disagree with you completely. How is it "over" for poker cheats? What has ever come Doyle Brunson's way other than fame and a huge economic windfall? hell, he even dabbled in securities fraud with a fake WPT buy out back in the day (and how he never got fined or charges brought against he for that, I 'll never know). What punishment has Russ Hamiltion, a man people know, for a fact , stole millions from the poker community? THe man still travels the country playing poker. He still hustles golf in vegas. Exactly zero has ever happened to Russ. Daniel himself called Men the Master out, on several occasions, for being caught with tournament chips in a cooler at Foxwoods. What ever happened to men, other than becoming a minor poker celebrity and Poker Cribs visiting his house? What poker rooms has he been banned from? what tournaments is he not allowed to play? Who the hell even remembers that incident anymore? Howard and Jesus might go to jail because they broke the law, but it was securities laws that they broke, not any laws governing poker itself. If two or more players collude against you, nothing legal happens to them. They can get barred from a poker room. Banned from an online account. But another account is a finger tip away. A new poker room is just down the street.. At least, with corporate fraud, embezzlement and the like, there are laws against it. Fines that can be levied. Theoretical punishments. THey may not be enforced, but the laws are there. There's NOTHING illegal about marking a deck of cards at a casino. Nothing illegal about getting on skype with 3 friends and colluding in an online room. No punishments. No consequences. At least, when Doyle was coming up there was at least some threat that an angry oil man was going to come after him with a gun for cheating him. BUt now, there's not even that threat. Hamilton can yuk it up on the golf course with lane flack and no one does shit. He can play 2-5 in a casino, and the only thing these poker geeks will do is embarrass him and then blog about it on 2+2 as if they are some kind of hero. if one of these online pros that Russ stole 100's of K from had an speck of steel in them, Russ would be buried in the desert. But they are all a bunch of pussies, crying about how dishonest AP/UB was, and Russ gets to keep laughing at them all and conning golfing fish. That's what drives me crazy about these 2+2 vigilantes. THey are great at uncovering cheats. Great at exposing them. Great poking holes in stories, researching who people are, great at all kinds of that sort of thing. But you know what they are shit at? Actually doing something about it. So you exposed a cheat. Cool. Now what? He gets a new account and cheats again. Cool. That to me is why I view poker on it's highest levels with such skepticism. There is no consequence for cheating. Public scorn of computer geeks not a deterrent. Having nasty threads written about you is not a deterrent. So, with no real consequences, all we have to protect ourselves from cheats is hoping that the better angels of the human spirit will prevail and that everyone will elect not to cheat. Good luck with that.

If the headline : "Ferguson/Lederer are gunned down at their homes" in the next month, would anyone in the poker world be surprised?

[CorvairShaggy]

BigDMcGee, on Friday, December 30th, 2011, 4:09 AM, said:

At least, with corporate fraud, embezzlement and the like, there are laws against it. Fines that can be levied. Theoretical punishments. THey may not be enforced, but the laws are there. There's NOTHING illegal about marking a deck of cards at a casino. Nothing illegal about getting on skype with 3 friends and colluding in an online room. No punishments. No consequences. At least, when Doyle was coming up there was at least some threat that an angry oil man was going to come after him with a gun for cheating him. BUt now, there's not even that threat. Hamilton can yuk it up on the golf course with lane flack and no one does shit. He can play 2-5 in a casino, and the only thing these poker geeks will do is embarrass him and then blog about it on 2+2 as if they are some kind of hero. if one of these online pros that Russ stole 100's of K from had an speck of steel in them, Russ would be buried in the desert. But they are all a bunch of pussies, crying about how dishonest AP/UB was, and Russ gets to keep laughing at them all and conning golfing fish. That's what drives me crazy about these 2+2 vigilantes. THey are great at uncovering cheats. Great at exposing them. Great poking holes in stories, researching who people are, great at all kinds of that sort of thing. But you know what they are shit at? Actually doing something about it. So you exposed a cheat. Cool. Now what? He gets a new account and cheats again. Cool.

Great Statement IMO. People talk a big game these days, especially online, but carry the smallest of twigs.

AmScray, on Friday, December 30th, 2011, 4:26 AM, said:

I've been interested in a lot of things in my life. I'm a 'man of interests'. My interests define who I am at any given space in time. I've been a drunkard, a drug addict. I've participated in the higher levels of the advertising world, commercial art/design. I've been a comedian, a gangsta, a peacenik, a gun nut, a racist, a traveler, a prisoner, a professional poker player, a collector, a mechanic, a classical guitarist, an enabler and a paid archivist. I've been a shut-in, a bartender, a speculator. I'm the sort of dude who has books written about his eccentric and intensely interesting, well-varied life. For whatever disadvantages living a non-standard life has brought, it has afforded me the precious advantage of understanding everything about the human animal.

Well-versed in life. You've probably gained WAAAY more life experience than the guy who spent 4+ years in college then punches the clock at a corporate job for 20+ years. Living outside the box. I like it. (Can be a good and bad thing). That's why I don't understand why people knock the internet kids for moving out of the country to keep playing a game and are good enough/lucky enough to profit from it and not harm anyone. (Other than the gambling degens, but that will happen anywhere.) If a 20-something can move to another country and experience it and support themselves for a year or two then move on to "Normal Life", what's the problem with that? How many internet 20-somethings were living in their parent's basement, sucking off their parents being a loser at online poker but calling themselves a "Professional" before black friday. Those people are no different than than 20-something drug addicts that their parents just will not cut them off until it is too late and they have lost their entire life's work and their kid as well before they get their head out of the sand. Give the guys who moved away credit for having ambition. Something that lacks these days in young america. Just my opinion.

[Ottawa_Biatch]

rcgs59, on Friday, December 30th, 2011, 3:30 AM, said:

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[Mercury69]

Pottery, imo