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#1 BaseJester

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 01:40 PM

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 02:40 PM

Totally agree with him when he says about what motivated the 9/11 terrorists.

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but to argue the case that they want to do us harm because we're free and prosperous, I think, is a very, very dangerous notion because it's not true."
You have to understand your enemy and what motivates them and to take the simplistic view that it was because they hate American's Freedom is just ignorant.
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 02:59 PM

I think Schieffer is wrong when he corrects Paul's statement that we are talking about bombing Iran.When Barack Obama said, “We are not taking any options off the table,” he means to communicate that he might use military intervention.
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 03:09 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on Sunday, November 20th, 2011, 5:40 PM, said:

You have to understand your enemy and what motivates them and to take the simplistic view that it was because they hate American's Freedom is just ignorant.
It's certainly a foolish notion. If you'll allow me to split hairs, ignorant isn't quite the word I would choose. I don't they're missing facts about politics or the Middle East, it's just a bizarre idea.
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 03:13 PM

View PostBaseJester, on Sunday, November 20th, 2011, 5:59 PM, said:

I think Schieffer is wrong when he corrects Paul's statement that we are talking about bombing Iran.When Barack Obama said, “We are not taking any options off the table,” he means to communicate that he might use military intervention.
I think Schieffer was wrong about quite a bit in that interview especially how he kept twisting Paul's opinion about blame for 9/11. I think in many ways Paul is a kook but it isn't right that his position is twisted like that. Schieffer is either too dumb to understand a slightly nuanced position or he was trying to distort what Paul means.
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:18 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on Sunday, November 20th, 2011, 6:13 PM, said:

I think Schieffer was wrong about quite a bit in that interview especially how he kept twisting Paul's opinion about blame for 9/11. I think in many ways Paul is a kook but it isn't right that his position is twisted like that. Schieffer is either too dumb to understand a slightly nuanced position or he was trying to distort what Paul means.
Welcome to reality. Schieffer is just doing what he and every other host of the Sunday Shows do just about every week. Of course he tried to distort and misrepresent what Paul was saying, Paul is a republican candadate. He will do the same to a democrat occasionally, but that is standard fair for republicans. Ok, now that a got my "the media is shameless tool for the democrat party" rant out of the way. You are right, Shieffer was actually quite a bit worse than he normally is, he didn't even pretend to be fair. He tried to distort each one of Paul's views. It is not hard to make Paul look bad. You can't explain how you are going to close a dozen government agencies in easily digestable sound bites on Sunday morning political shows.
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:31 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on Sunday, November 20th, 2011, 5:40 PM, said:

Totally agree with him when he says about what motivated the 9/11 terrorists.You have to understand your enemy and what motivates them and to take the simplistic view that it was because they hate American's Freedom is just ignorant.
While I agree with your statement, Paul's "don't make them mad at us" stratagy is also a simplistic view.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 05:55 AM

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 06:00 AM

The coverage of Paul has been ridiculous. It's ridiculous how many videos exist of newscasters reading the results of a poll or an election with the results on the screen, and the newscasters just skip over Paul's name as if he wasn't in there. If that happens once or twice, that's fine. If it happens more often than not, it's an organized campaign. My guess is the MSM gets pressure from both sides to downplay his significance because he would actually do something about the corruption, and neither party wants that. They've got this false dichotomy game going where they blame it all on the other party while they both loot the treasury for personal gain.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 06:52 AM

View Posthblask, on Monday, November 21st, 2011, 9:00 AM, said:

My guess is the MSM gets pressure from both sides to downplay his significance because he would actually do something about the corruption, and neither party wants that.
My guess is that it's because he says a lot of crazy things and has very little chance of winning the Presidency.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 08:29 AM

View PostLongLiveYorke, on Monday, November 21st, 2011, 9:52 AM, said:

My guess is that it's because he says a lot of crazy things and has very little chance of winning the Presidency.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 08:32 AM

View PostLongLiveYorke, on Monday, November 21st, 2011, 8:52 AM, said:

My guess is that it's because he says a lot of crazy things and has very little chance of winning the Presidency.
He doesn't say crazy things, he just says things that career politicians normally don't say. Remember when "end the Fed" was crazy? It's mainstream now, even part of the leftist OWS thing. Most of what he says is like that: he's just saying things most politicians are too cowardly to say until it is too late.This "no chance of wining" meme is falling apart, too, he has a good chance of winning in Iowa and is showing strength against Obama that is comparable to any other Republican.I have a number of things I disagree with him about, but he is the only candidate (that has a chance) that would address the actual problems instead of just paying lip service and then doing the same as the rest. Remember when Obama wanted to end the wars and close Guantanamo and allow medical marijuana and stop spying on Americans? Good times... yeah, nothing crazy about that guy.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 08:42 AM

View Posthblask, on Monday, November 21st, 2011, 11:32 AM, said:

He doesn't say crazy things, he just says things that career politicians normally don't say. Remember when "end the Fed" was crazy? It's mainstream now, even part of the leftist OWS thing. Most of what he says is like that: he's just saying things most politicians are too cowardly to say until it is too late.
End the Fed is still bat shit crazy, it's just more people who have no clue are saying it.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 09:28 AM

View PostFCP Bob, on Monday, November 21st, 2011, 10:42 AM, said:

End the Fed is still bat shit crazy, it's just more people who have no clue are saying it.
It's crazy because you say it's crazy? What he really wants is an open Fed and competing currencies. He has no illusion that he can actually shut down the Federal Reserve, and I'm not sure he would if he had that power. But by saying End The Fed, he has brought attention to an issue that was 100% ignored before he started beating the drum and is one of the most important issues in the country -- the Federal Reserve's irresponsible behavior with our money supply.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 10:48 AM

View Posthblask, on Monday, November 21st, 2011, 12:28 PM, said:

It's crazy because you say it's crazy? What he really wants is an open Fed and competing currencies. He has no illusion that he can actually shut down the Federal Reserve, and I'm not sure he would if he had that power. But by saying End The Fed, he has brought attention to an issue that was 100% ignored before he started beating the drum and is one of the most important issues in the country -- the Federal Reserve's irresponsible behavior with our money supply.
I'm not saying that all of Paul's ideas are 100% bad or that he's not good at bringing up issues that he favors. I'm saying that it's understandable that he's "forgotten" or ignored when describing the list of Republican presidential candidates.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 10:53 AM

View Posthblask, on Monday, November 21st, 2011, 10:32 AM, said:

This "no chance of wining" meme is falling apart, too, he has a good chance of winning in Iowa and is showing strength against Obama that is comparable to any other Republican.
the right seems to be even more fucked than I thought.honestly, if I wanted to vote republican in 2012, I'd be fuming right now. this is downright hilarious.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:00 AM

View Poststrategy, on Monday, November 21st, 2011, 1:53 PM, said:

the right seems to be even more fucked than I thought.honestly, if I wanted to vote republican in 2012, I'd be fuming right now. this is downright hilarious.
You know what. I don't think Mitt Romney is all that horrible. I'd be okay with a Romney/Huntsman campaign. Is that why the right hates him?

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:30 AM

View Poststrategy, on Monday, November 21st, 2011, 12:53 PM, said:

the right seems to be even more fucked than I thought.honestly, if I wanted to vote republican in 2012, I'd be fuming right now. this is downright hilarious.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:32 AM

View PostLongLiveYorke, on Monday, November 21st, 2011, 12:48 PM, said:

I'm not saying that all of Paul's ideas are 100% bad or that he's not good at bringing up issues that he favors. I'm saying that it's understandable that he's "forgotten" or ignored when describing the list of Republican presidential candidates.
Why? Because he has things he believes in? Because he would actually do something about our insane wars? Because he'd protect our rights?The real question is why the others AREN'T ignored when it is obvious they stand for nothing and have no intention of following through on any of their promises. Are we really so stupid as a nation that we'd prefer empty warm promises to realistic tough choices? Four more years of theoretical hope and change while the reality is more "meet the new boss, same as the old boss"?
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:37 AM

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