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#1 jamzdotman

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 07:40 AM

PokerStars Game #70271606601: Tournament #546010283, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (50/100) - 2011/11/09 15:14:55 WET [2011/11/09 10:14:55 ET]Table '546010283 318' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: rakayy (2630 in chips) Seat 2: jamzdotman (7945 in chips) Seat 3: Teror666 (2960 in chips) Seat 4: Coffos (8060 in chips) Seat 5: cheon (10463 in chips) Seat 6: balic420 (3395 in chips) Seat 7: thechronic10 (6650 in chips) Seat 8: MIMOMA (3270 in chips) Seat 9: Lauerrinho (1985 in chips) is sitting outrakayy: posts the ante 10jamzdotman: posts the ante 10Teror666: posts the ante 10Coffos: posts the ante 10cheon: posts the ante 10balic420: posts the ante 10thechronic10: posts the ante 10MIMOMA: posts the ante 10Lauerrinho: posts the ante 10balic420: posts small blind 50thechronic10: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jamzdotman [6d 7d]MIMOMA: folds Lauerrinho: folds rakayy: folds jamzdotman: raises 175 to 275Teror666: folds Coffos: calls 275cheon: calls 275balic420: calls 225thechronic10: calls 175*** FLOP *** [6c 7h 8s]balic420: checks thechronic10: checks jamzdotman: bets 625Coffos: folds cheon: folds balic420: folds thechronic10: calls 625*** TURN *** [6c 7h 8s] [2s]thechronic10: checks jamzdotman: bets 2050thechronic10: raises 3690 to 5740 and is all-injamzdotman: folds [6d 7d]Uncalled bet (3690) returned to thechronic10thechronic10 collected 6815 from potthechronic10: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 6815 | Rake 0 Board [6c 7h 8s 2s]Any feedback from any player is welcome ! Only hands i felt i could be beating in this spot were 99, 89. Look forward to hearing some opinions :club:[/color][/size]

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 11:04 AM

I pass pre-flop
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 04:32 PM

View PostKingJames, on Wednesday, November 9th, 2011, 7:04 PM, said:

I pass pre-flop
Useful advice ... lol.

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 05:14 PM

Posted ImageConverting hands till the cows come homePokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($5.00+$0.50) t50/t100 ante t10 - 9 playersMP: t2,630 MP2: t7,945 (Hero)HJ: t2,960 CO: t8,060 Button: t10,463 SB: t3,395 BB: t6,650 UTG: t3,270 UTG+1: t1,985 Preflop: (t240) Hero is MP2 with :4h :3h (9 players)3 folds, Hero raises to t275, HJ folds, CO calls t275, Button calls t275, SB calls t225, BB calls t175Flop: (t1,465) :qh :club: :ts (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t625, 3 folds, BB calls t625Turn: (t2,715) :5c (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets t2050, BB raises to t5740 and is all-in, Hero foldsBB collected t6815
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 05:18 PM

And you didn't convert the hand, you can use sites such as http://www.feralcowp...y-converter.php in the future.You also provided no context, statistics or reads.So 1, I would fold pre. We have 2 shorter stacks behind us and from MP I would prefer folding SCs until we get to 89s+ I'd open 67s in the CO, sometimes in the HJ and rarely in MP/CO-2Then, on the turn I am folding to the c.rThe flop c.c and turn c.r is classic lolstrong hand from a weak player (which I assume villain is in a $5 MTT.There is certainly an argument that maybe he's the type of weak player who will over value TT or pair+draw or is just spewing, but for the most part you will see a set or straight here.I'd also bet the flop waaaaaay larger, we are 6 ways on a board that has a lot of straight draws and we have 2-pair, let's get a lot of money in. It already looks strong when we c-bet in a 5-way pot, so let's get lots of value from pair + drawsI stand by the fold pre. I doubt you will be profitable long term with 67s from the CO -2 (MP)I just checked my database (for 6max cash games as I don't have a lot of MTT or FR hands) and I only open 67s from CO -2 18% of the time. I would only open it if there was a mega fish in the blinds will pay off when I make a hand or if a table was super tight and I could steal blinds and barrel nits.So readless and such, I'm passing pre.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 05:30 PM

View PostKingJames, on Friday, November 11th, 2011, 1:18 AM, said:

And you didn't convert the hand, you can use sites such as http://www.feralcowp...y-converter.php in the future.You also provided no context, statistics or reads.So 1, I would fold pre. We have 2 shorter stacks behind us and from MP I would prefer folding SCs until we get to 89s+ I'd open 67s in the CO, sometimes in the HJ and rarely in MP/CO-2Then, on the turn I am folding to the c.rThe flop c.c and turn c.r is classic lolstrong hand from a weak player (which I assume villain is in a $5 MTT.There is certainly an argument that maybe he's the type of weak player who will over value TT or pair+draw or is just spewing, but for the most part you will see a set or straight here.I'd also bet the flop waaaaaay larger, we are 6 ways on a board that has a lot of straight draws and we have 2-pair, let's get a lot of money in. It already looks strong when we c-bet in a 5-way pot, so let's get lots of value from pair + drawsI stand by the fold pre. I doubt you will be profitable long term with 67s from the CO -2 (MP)I just checked my database (for 6max cash games as I don't have a lot of MTT or FR hands) and I only open 67s from CO -2 18% of the time. I would only open it if there was a mega fish in the blinds will pay off when I make a hand or if a table was super tight and I could steal blinds and barrel nits.So readless and such, I'm passing pre.
Thanks for the in-detail reply, i agree with basically everything you said which is good i guess :club: , was a bit loosy goosy...didnt have too many reads on the players although it was a tight(ish) table.I know nothing about converting hands or anything like that so cheers for the info. I shall use your way of thinking in future i think :ts - happier with the fold now than i was at the time, really didnt like to fold. Definitely bet the turn in that spot all the time? Or maybe check back for some pot control and a cheaper showdown..also got chance to fill up. Thought about that side of things after the hand too.Cheers

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 06:36 PM

View Postjamzdotman, on Thursday, November 10th, 2011, 6:30 PM, said:

Thanks for the in-detail reply, i agree with basically everything you said which is good i guess :club: , was a bit loosy goosy...didnt have too many reads on the players although it was a tight(ish) table.I know nothing about converting hands or anything like that so cheers for the info. I shall use your way of thinking in future i think :ts - happier with the fold now than i was at the time, really didnt like to fold. Definitely bet the turn in that spot all the time? Or maybe check back for some pot control and a cheaper showdown..also got chance to fill up. Thought about that side of things after the hand too.Cheers
I'd bet the turn close to 100% of the time.There is waaaaay too much value in a villain calling with a pair+draw or just pair or just draw. We can bet expecting to get called by worse a ton and when we do get c.r'd we don't have to worry about it being a bluff or semi-bluff very often. I mean, not many $5 MTT players are c.r the turn with 89 in my opinionglgl
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 05:11 AM

lol@ b/fing that turn

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I don't mind folding out hands we beat.

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 08:59 AM

View Postdonk4life, on Friday, November 11th, 2011, 6:11 AM, said:

lol@ b/fing that turn
stack too shallow to b/f?Think he c.r enough worse hands for value or some bluffs?
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Posted 12 November 2011 - 09:42 AM

There's too much money in the pot to fold that turn, guy could be doing it with pairs, pairs+str8 draws, pairs+ flush draws. We have two pair and we're going to fold to the most innocuous turn card?

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I don't mind folding out hands we beat.

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 09:32 PM

View Postdonk4life, on Saturday, November 12th, 2011, 10:42 AM, said:

There's too much money in the pot to fold that turn, guy could be doing it with pairs, pairs+str8 draws, pairs+ flush draws. We have two pair and we're going to fold to the most innocuous turn card?
I just feel like when you c-bet the 5way pot and they c.c, crai turn they have a set or a straightI like your use of the word innocuousI guess we call it off and see what's up; ISAP and should likely preface all posts with that tho
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 07:03 PM

I miss you James.I don't exactly hate the b/f on the turn to be honest, but we are getting a ridiculous price. I'd prefer it with top two

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 10:01 PM

why bet that much on the turn if we are folding?
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 10:04 PM

View Postbabylondonks, on Wednesday, November 16th, 2011, 8:03 PM, said:

I miss you James.I don't exactly hate the b/f on the turn to be honest, but we are getting a ridiculous price. I'd prefer it with top two
You miss the nittiness?Yeah, top two would be much better.Any of you guys have thoughts on the open in MP2/CO-2?
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Posted 17 November 2011 - 01:53 AM

shortest stack seems to be 30 blinds? I don't absolutely hate it, but I'd need a lot more info

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 04:44 AM

Yeah right babs, you don't need more info. You're opening that hand from UTG

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I don't mind folding out hands we beat.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 07:54 AM

View Postdonk4life, on Thursday, November 17th, 2011, 4:44 AM, said:

Yeah right babs, you don't need more info. You're opening that hand from UTG
um, hi?
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Posted 17 November 2011 - 01:57 PM

View PostTrueAce13, on Thursday, November 17th, 2011, 9:54 AM, said:

um, hi?
i didn't say he was r/fing that from UTG!

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I don't mind folding out hands we beat.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 10:02 PM

I think I'd be raising that from UTG, look at our hand, and our equity edge when we can outplay them postflop

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 04:01 AM

if you raise with 6/7 n flop that - be prepared to go all the wayreally you have to go all the way with that holding




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