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[mrdannyg]

El Guapo, on Thursday, September 8th, 2011, 4:50 PM, said:

What? Who views it as this?

I have no evidence for that, nor an interest in trying to prove it, since it wasn't really relevant to any points I was making. It's worded way too strongly anyway - I only meant to say that the US government is motivated by Christians/Christianity. That would effect the military, but I did not mean to indicate the military was any special case.

[ShakeZuma]

mrdannyg, on Thursday, September 8th, 2011, 3:32 PM, said:

The question asks whether a violent act with non-military targets is justified as an act of defence.

I understand the need to reword the question, but I think you're rewording it incorrectly. to put it in a more general sense, I think it should ask "whether a violent act in defense of your group, directed at targets not directly responsible for the original threat, is justified." the point being is that the suicide bombing isn't just bad because it's killing civilians, but it's bad because it's killing people that have next to nothing to do with the stated "threat."I don't really feel like getting into this argument though, just wanted to point that out. I personally think brv is way underestimating the level of crazy available in most american christians.

[vbnautilus]

brvheart, on Sunday, September 4th, 2011, 10:07 PM, said:

http://people-press....-for-extremism/According to this 2009 Pew Report, there are 2,454,000 Muslims living in America. If this article is correct and 8% of American Muslims justify suicide bombings and other forms of violence, that comes out to 196,320 Muslims in America that think that suicide bombings are a pretty good idea.

Whats really scary in this poll is that 68% of muslims in palestine answer sometimes or often to this question.Living in America can mitigate some of the crazier aspects of Islam.

[mrdannyg]

ShakeZuma, on Thursday, September 8th, 2011, 7:37 PM, said:

I understand the need to reword the question, but I think you're rewording it incorrectly. to put it in a more general sense, I think it should ask "whether a violent act in defense of your group, directed at targets not directly responsible for the original threat, is justified." the point being is that the suicide bombing isn't just bad because it's killing civilians, but it's bad because it's killing people that have next to nothing to do with the stated "threat."I don't really feel like getting into this argument though, just wanted to point that out. I personally think brv is way underestimating the level of crazy available in most american christians.

That's a solid rewording. And given the lack of outcry at the bombing of non-military targets by the US, (really? No one has asked me for a reference on this yet? Alright.) I think many Americans answering this in the negative would be hypocritical.

[All_In]

Balloon guy, on Sunday, September 4th, 2011, 5:38 PM, said:

From the article:So Libya, who turned over large stockpiles of WMDs and stopped their nuclear program...were viewed by CIA and MI6 as a country that would help hunt and kill terrorist?What's the problem then?Good use of tax dollars by a government that doesn't do that often enough if you ask me.But I do love that nobody cares who this guy Abdel Hakim Belhadj is that is reporting about the evil CIA handing him over to Libya.I wonder if the google thing will work?Oh wow, it does:Here's the headlines to save the TONS of effort to find out the source for your story All_InWhat a surprise, he was a personal friend of Osama Bin Laden, killed American soldiers in Afghanistan and was a member of Al Qaeda.No wonder you liked him All_In, seems like a person you would idolize.Abdel Hakim Belhadj aka Abu Abdullah Assadaq aka Abdel-Hakim al Hasidi aka Abdel Hakim al-Hasadi aka Abdel Hakim al-Hasady, identified here as an al Qaeda terrorist commander in the posting “Al Qaeda: Pawns of CIA Insurrection from Libya to Yemen” of April 3, 2011

WOW, u COMPLETELY missed what this story was about. no wonder u love palin, u r an idiot.not hunt down terrorists, hunt down dissidents (right in the article brainiac).no one knows who he is? oh, just 'The current military commander for Tripoli of Libya’s provisional government...' again right in the article AND i posted the quote.he's associated with al qaeda? so gaddaffi was right when he said the 'rebels' were al qaeda.there are more logical inaccuracies i could mention, but u r an idiot, and most things more complicated than bubblegum wrappers go completely over your head.

[All_In]

mrdannyg, on Thursday, September 8th, 2011, 6:59 PM, said:

That's a solid rewording. And given the lack of outcry at the bombing of non-military targets by the US, (really? No one has asked me for a reference on this yet? Alright.) I think many Americans answering this in the negative would be hypocritical.

http://www.tomdispat...edding_crashers

[Balloon guy]

All_In, on Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 10:50 AM, said:

WOW, u COMPLETELY missed what this story was about. no wonder u love palin, u r an idiot.not hunt down terrorists, hunt down dissidents (right in the article brainiac).no one knows who he is? oh, just 'The current military commander for Tripoli of Libya’s provisional government...' again right in the article AND i posted the quote.he's associated with al qaeda? so gaddaffi was right when he said the 'rebels' were al qaeda.there are more logical inaccuracies i could mention, but u r an idiot, and most things more complicated than bubblegum wrappers go completely over your head.

Leaving for a few weeks doesn't seem to help you understand simple factsMaybe a few months will help?

[brvheart]

All_In, on Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 1:00 PM, said:

http://www.tomdispat...edding_crashers

Don't click this link. BEHEADING VIDEO!

[All_In]

'US soldiers started to shoot us, one by one'http://www.guardian....ymccarthy/print

[AmScray]

mrdannyg, on Thursday, September 8th, 2011, 6:59 PM, said:

And given the lack of outcry at the bombing of non-military targets by the US, (really? No one has asked me for a reference on this yet?

It's hard to identify 'military targets' in wars like this.We should get the hell out of there and leave those stupid monkeys to live in peace, but I think the apathy towards what happens over there has more to do with the US being the Alpha in that fight and our having to live up to the nature of those types of wars and all associated consequences. Everyone else enjoys the luxury of being the sideline critic.Besides. You're a Canadian and a Jew. The only way for the world to care any less about your opinion is if you turned black and shrunk into a midget.

[mrdannyg]

AmScray, on Thursday, September 15th, 2011, 5:23 PM, said:

It's hard to identify 'military targets' in wars like this.We should get the hell out of there and leave those stupid monkeys to live in peace, but I think the apathy towards what happens over there has more to do with the US being the Alpha in that fight and our having to live up to the nature of those types of wars and all associated consequences. Everyone else enjoys the luxury of being the sideline critic.Besides. You're a Canadian and a Jew. The only way for the world to care any less about your opinion is if you turned black and shrunk into a midget.

Nobody would take offense to that because everyone knows you take pleasure at making racist statements, and the post itself was vague and meaningless.I'm actually really short, and pretty dark-skinned as is. So not far from the quartet.

[Balloon guy]

mrdannyg, on Thursday, September 15th, 2011, 6:57 PM, said:

Nobody would take offense to that because everyone knows you take pleasure at making racist statements, and the post itself was vague and meaningless.I'm actually really short, and pretty dark-skinned as is. So not far from the quartet.

Are you related to Sammie Davis Jr?

[brvheart]

All_In, on Thursday, September 15th, 2011, 2:43 PM, said:

http://www.guardian....ymccarthy/print

Muslim girl has her nose cut off for shaming her familyMuslim woman killed for chatting on FacebookMuslims kill a 2 year old boy, since he was born out of wedlock.RELIGION OF PEACE!!!By all means, All In, please keep posting military links. For every military link you post, I'll post 3 links of Muslims killing women and children. Hint: I'm not going to run out of original stories before you.

[mrdannyg]

brvheart, on Friday, September 16th, 2011, 3:12 AM, said:

Muslim girl has her nose cut off for shaming her familyMuslim woman killed for chatting on FacebookMuslims kill a 2 year old boy, since he was born out of wedlock.RELIGION OF PEACE!!!By all means, All In, please keep posting military links. For every military link you post, I'll post 3 links of Muslims killing women and children. Hint: I'm not going to run out of original stories before you.

So wait, now the party line is that the war is to grant freedom to Muslims? If so, I'm sure there are a few dozen other countries in the world that could use some help. Sucks that Africa has no oil or terrorists, coincidentally.

[Balloon guy]

mrdannyg, on Friday, September 16th, 2011, 5:54 AM, said:

So wait, now the party line is that the war is to grant freedom to Muslims? If so, I'm sure there are a few dozen other countries in the world that could use some help. Sucks that Africa has no oil or terrorists, coincidentally.

Canadian educations......LibyaTunisiaAlgeriaEgyptAny of them ring a bell?

[Pot Odds RAC]

All_In, on Thursday, September 15th, 2011, 3:43 PM, said:

'US soldiers started to shoot us, one by one'http://www.guardian....ymccarthy/print

Quote

The Guardian, Thursday 20 May 2004 21.37 EDT

The thing is, when a story like this comes out, we as Americans don't condone the killing of civilians. If our military makes a terrible mistake, or worse yet does it on purpose, we actually gather the facts and prosecute the monsters when possible. We don't put bombs in places to maximize civilian casualties. We don't celebrate murderers as martyrs.I'll say this and challenge you as I have in the past: if that story from over 7 years ago is true, and if our military knowingly targeted women and children, then I condemn their actions and think they should be prosecuted. Now I challenge you to condemn the actions of suicide bombers and others who purposely attack markets and other civilian targets. I challenge you condemn the actions of the men who brutalize, maim, and kill women and children in the name of their religion. I challenge you to at least condemn the actions described in the stories as linked above by brvheart

[mrdannyg]

Balloon guy, on Friday, September 16th, 2011, 12:09 PM, said:

Canadian educations......LibyaTunisiaAlgeriaEgyptAny of them ring a bell?

I'll take "countries the United States haven't spent a trillion dollars on a war with," for $100 Alex.

Pot Odds RAC, on Friday, September 16th, 2011, 12:18 PM, said:

The thing is, when a story like this comes out, we as Americans don't condone the killing of civilians. If our military makes a terrible mistake, or worse yet does it on purpose, we actually gather the facts and prosecute the monsters when possible. We don't put bombs in places to maximize civilian casualties. We don't celebrate murderers as martyrs.

Bahahaha

[Pot Odds RAC]

Self Edit: Not worth arguing with a Troll.

[mrdannyg]

Pot Odds RAC, on Friday, September 16th, 2011, 3:14 PM, said:

Self Edit: Not worth arguing with a Troll.

Fun game: find me an official government statement from Afghanistan celebrating the 9/11 bombers as martyrs.

[Balloon guy]

mrdannyg, on Friday, September 16th, 2011, 12:33 PM, said:

Fun game: find me an official government statement from Afghanistan celebrating the 9/11 bombers as martyrs.

Find me an official military statement from the Navy celebrating the shooting up of a wedding.