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[FCP Bob]

brvheart, on Wednesday, August 10th, 2011, 9:21 PM, said:

SO EXTREME!!!! EXTREME! RIGHT WING EXTREMIST!!!! EXTREME! Christians are all EXTREME!!!

Did you read the article ?

[brvheart]

Yes. She believes that the Bible is true and that it's the final authority in her life. Like I said... a Christian. EXTREEEEEEME!!!

[LongLiveYorke]

brvheart, on Wednesday, August 10th, 2011, 10:54 PM, said:

Yes. She believes that the Bible is true and that it's the final authority in her life. Like I said... a Christian. EXTREEEEEEME!!!

I enjoy how I can quote this exactly and agree with it.

[akoff]

I don’t think Bachmann is going to win or that her views are typical. I think even among Christians her views would be seen as hardcore. The fact that she is getting consideration shows you how much fear there is of the current administration and how far they are out of touch with the public.I don’t believe the next President has entered the race yet. The independents will decide this next election and it is pretty obvious to most that our current leader is a jack-ass.

[FCP Bob]

akoff, on Thursday, August 11th, 2011, 6:28 AM, said:

I don’t think Bachmann is going to win or that her views are typical. I think even among Christians her views would be seen as hardcore. The fact that she is getting consideration shows you how much fear there is of the current administration and how far they are out of touch with the public.I don’t believe the next President has entered the race yet. The independents will decide this next election and it is pretty obvious to most that our current leader is a jack-ass.

I think that the reason Bachmann's popular with a large number of Republicans has little to do with Obama. She reflects the views of a large growing segment of the Conservative Base that are very fiscally and socially conservative and she's an attractive package to represent their views even if she will have little appeal to independents.

[mrdannyg]

brvheart, on Wednesday, August 10th, 2011, 10:21 PM, said:

SO EXTREME!!!! EXTREME! RIGHT WING EXTREMIST!!!! EXTREME! Christians are all EXTREME!!!

Replace "Christian" with "Muslim" in that article, and half of America would want her held as a terrorist.

[akoff]

FCP Bob, on Thursday, August 11th, 2011, 3:10 AM, said:

I think that the reason Bachmann's popular with a large number of Republicans has little to do with Obama. She reflects the views of a large growing segment of the Conservative Base that are very fiscally and socially conservative and she's an attractive package to represent their views even if she will have little appeal to independents.

I think she is that person for a minority of very active Republicans which are driving things right now. I don’t believe in her ability to carry this all the way when more level headed people enter that race or become more active. At the end of the day people vote the wallet more than anything else. Jimmy Carter was one term for the same reasons that the first GB was one term…the economy was bad. Morals and socials issues lose importance to the masses when they don’t have job.If she can sell her platform as a fiscal conservative and keep the rest of it out…which I doubt she can do, maybe then she has a chance. I do think many independents and or moderates will be voting for whatever candidate is against BHO.Personally I will be voting for the biggest fiscal conservative I can find, I will take care of my own morals.

[CaneBrain]

brvheart, on Wednesday, August 10th, 2011, 9:21 PM, said:

SO EXTREME!!!! EXTREME! RIGHT WING EXTREMIST!!!! EXTREME! Christians are all EXTREME!!!

Most of the Christians I know would find her very extreme. I live in godless, fake America though (translation: a city).

hblask, on Wednesday, August 10th, 2011, 8:06 PM, said:

The first Obama primary challenger is making noise.

I thought this was going to be someone serious. I think the mounting evidence that both the right fringe and the left fringe hate Obama is proof he is doing as good a job as possible with a completely divided populace.

[CaneBrain]

hblask, on Tuesday, August 9th, 2011, 7:37 PM, said:

5. Newseek posts a flagrantly bad photoshop of Michelle Bachman to make her look crazy; the left, apparently unaware of Photoshop, thinks it is proof she is crazy.

Nah, we still have a couple of decent news sources on the left unlike the righthttp://www.reuters.c...311514320110810Also, that's not photoshop; it's just a terrible picture used on the cover for underhanded purposes.

[FCP Bob]

CaneBrain, on Thursday, August 11th, 2011, 11:16 AM, said:

Nah, we still have a couple of decent news sources on the left unlike the righthttp://www.reuters.c...311514320110810Also, that's not photoshop; it's just a terrible picture used on the cover for underhanded purposes.

I like this line from Jon Stewart

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"But. Be honest Newsweek. You used that photo in a petty attempt to make Michele Bachman look crazy. And that's what her words are for. ...You want a photo that makes her seem a little off? Make it out of her words."

[Balloon guy]

CaneBrain, on Thursday, August 11th, 2011, 6:42 AM, said:

Most of the Christians I know would find her very extreme. I live in godless, fake America though (translation: a city).

I know, taking in 14 orphans and giving them a home is way too extreme.

[CaneBrain]

Balloon guy, on Thursday, August 11th, 2011, 1:54 PM, said:

I know, taking in 14 orphans and giving them a home is way too extreme.

Nancy Pelosi is a good person too with a lovely family. I still find her political positions extreme.Political/Religious extremist =/ bad person.I think it is awesome she took in 14 orphans. I think it is less awesome that she thinks being gay is "part of Satan" and predicted when Obama was elected that "young people" would be pressed into "mandatory service" and forced to go to "re-education camps".

[Roll the Bones]

FCP Bob, on Thursday, August 11th, 2011, 12:42 PM, said:

I like this line from Jon Stewart

The Daily show episode was hilarious.But on the reigous extremism, I have a question. Bachmann said that God told her to run. Um, as far as I know he told every other Republican candidate the same thing. Now, I'm pretty agnostic about the whole idea of some God/supernatural/alien thingy being the whole creator of the universe. I tend to think it's an unknowable proposition actually, but I tend to doubt the idea. I really doubt that one of these candidates actually got to talk to the Ultimate Creator of the Universe though. So basically it means that at least all but one is actually lying, and most likely all of them. WEll, unless you view God as the big pranxster type that plants dinosaur fossils and such. In other words I call Shenanigans. I think you are just basically willing to say anything to help you get elected. If you in fact use the "Well, I talked to the ULTIMATE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE CARD, then to me you should pretty much be disqualified from even entering the frey. If you can't be honest about such a thing, you really shouldn't have your finger on the nuke button, imho. It would seem much more logical to me for a candidate to say, "Whooah, talk to the UC of U guy? No way! If I could I would ask him to fix the economy, the secret of unlimited energy, (and maybe how to get a date with Mila Kunis) and simply pass it on for the good of mankind or something.

[Balloon guy]

Roll the Bones, on Thursday, August 11th, 2011, 3:00 PM, said:

The Daily show episode was hilarious.But on the reigous extremism, I have a question. Bachmann said that God told her to run. Um, as far as I know he told every other Republican candidate the same thing. Now, I'm pretty agnostic about the whole idea of some God/supernatural/alien thingy being the whole creator of the universe. I tend to think it's an unknowable proposition actually, but I tend to doubt the idea. I really doubt that one of these candidates actually got to talk to the Ultimate Creator of the Universe though. So basically it means that at least all but one is actually lying, and most likely all of them. WEll, unless you view God as the big pranxster type that plants dinosaur fossils and such. In other words I call Shenanigans. I think you are just basically willing to say anything to help you get elected. If you in fact use the "Well, I talked to the ULTIMATE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE CARD, then to me you should pretty much be disqualified from even entering the frey. If you can't be honest about such a thing, you really shouldn't have your finger on the nuke button, imho. It would seem much more logical to me for a candidate to say, "Whooah, talk to the UC of U guy? No way! If I could I would ask him to fix the economy, the secret of unlimited energy, (and maybe how to get a date with Mila Kunis) and simply pass it on for the good of mankind or something.

Maybe God wants to have lots of people run on the republican ticket to have lots of money to be absorbed by so many republican candidates that the democrats have an easier time winning so that they can continue with their actions to bring down the United States economically while bringing down the world and thus prepare the way for the anti-christ to rise to power.I mean he used a jack ass before to bring about His will in Numbers 22. Maybe he is going to use a whole party of jack asses to bring about the conditions for the anti-christ to be accepted.If I was desiring the United States to fail, the democrat party would be my first choice since they seem hell bent on that desire also.

[Balloon guy]

CaneBrain, on Thursday, August 11th, 2011, 8:16 AM, said:

Nah, we still have a couple of decent news sources on the left unlike the righthttp://www.reuters.c...311514320110810Also, that's not photoshop; it's just a terrible picture used on the cover for underhanded purposes.

Love that you go to Jon Stewart as your 'decent news source'

[CindyLou]

Roll the Bones, on Thursday, August 11th, 2011, 5:00 PM, said:

Bachmann said that God told her to run. Um, as far as I know he told every other Republican candidate the same thing. Now, I'm pretty agnostic about the whole idea of some God/supernatural/alien thingy being the whole creator of the universe. I tend to think it's an unknowable proposition actually, but I tend to doubt the idea. I really doubt that one of these candidates actually got to talk to the Ultimate Creator of the Universe though. So basically it means that at least all but one is actually lying, and most likely all of them. WEll, unless you view God as the big pranxster type that plants dinosaur fossils and such. In other words I call Shenanigans. I think you are just basically willing to say anything to help you get elected. If you in fact use the "Well, I talked to the ULTIMATE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE CARD, then to me you should pretty much be disqualified from even entering the frey. If you can't be honest about such a thing, you really shouldn't have your finger on the nuke button, imho. It would seem much more logical to me for a candidate to say, "Whooah, talk to the UC of U guy? No way! If I could I would ask him to fix the economy, the secret of unlimited energy, (and maybe how to get a date with Mila Kunis) and simply pass it on for the good of mankind or something.

This is a pretty bad post.

[vbnautilus]

Roll the Bones, on Thursday, August 11th, 2011, 3:00 PM, said:

The Daily show episode was hilarious.But on the reigous extremism, I have a question. Bachmann said that God told her to run. Um, as far as I know he told every other Republican candidate the same thing. Now, I'm pretty agnostic about the whole idea of some God/supernatural/alien thingy being the whole creator of the universe. I tend to think it's an unknowable proposition actually, but I tend to doubt the idea. I really doubt that one of these candidates actually got to talk to the Ultimate Creator of the Universe though. So basically it means that at least all but one is actually lying, and most likely all of them. WEll, unless you view God as the big pranxster type that plants dinosaur fossils and such. In other words I call Shenanigans. I think you are just basically willing to say anything to help you get elected. If you in fact use the "Well, I talked to the ULTIMATE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE CARD, then to me you should pretty much be disqualified from even entering the frey. If you can't be honest about such a thing, you really shouldn't have your finger on the nuke button, imho. It would seem much more logical to me for a candidate to say, "Whooah, talk to the UC of U guy? No way! If I could I would ask him to fix the economy, the secret of unlimited energy, (and maybe how to get a date with Mila Kunis) and simply pass it on for the good of mankind or something.

She is not lying, she is crazy.

[Zealous Donkey]

FCP Bob, on Thursday, August 11th, 2011, 6:10 AM, said:

I think that the reason Bachmann's popular with a large number of Republicans has little to do with Obama. She reflects the views of a large growing segment of the Conservative Base that are very fiscally and socially conservative and she's an attractive package to represent their views even if she will have little appeal to independents.

This is a good point, I wonder if the Libertarians are strategizing on how to appeal to the social conservatives. They have a real shot at becoming significant if they don't alienate them. They need to try and convince them that they will be allowed to exist, thrive and prosper on their merit. This will mean they will have to oppose the gay lobby. They will need to propose to take marriage out of the hands of govt altogether. It will be for Churches to decide how to handle marriage. They can't be consistent otherwise. Reading the "The Declaration of Independents" (I haven't finished it yet), it seems as though they will support the gay lobby at the expense of religious freedom. This is not consistent and may keep me from voting for them. There are several ways to reach out to social conservatives that may be effective without compromising their principles. Some they will never get, but they could get enough to become a player in national politics if they could peel off a large enough slice.

[hblask]

Zealous Donkey, on Thursday, August 11th, 2011, 5:44 PM, said:

This is a good point, I wonder if the Libertarians are strategizing on how to appeal to the social conservatives. They have a real shot at becoming significant if they don't alienate them. They need to try and convince them that they will be allowed to exist, thrive and prosper on their merit. This will mean they will have to oppose the gay lobby. They will need to propose to take marriage out of the hands of govt altogether. It will be for Churches to decide how to handle marriage. They can't be consistent otherwise. Reading the "The Declaration of Independents" (I haven't finished it yet), it seems as though they will support the gay lobby at the expense of religious freedom. This is not consistent and may keep me from voting for them. There are several ways to reach out to social conservatives that may be effective without compromising their principles. Some they will never get, but they could get enough to become a player in national politics if they could peel off a large enough slice.

The Libertarian Party will never become a real player; they are more like a feeder group for a takeover of the Republican party. It is showing some signs of working in the Ron Paul movement, and even a few old-guard neocons are giving surprising positions once in a while. I think Ron Paul is as close as libertarians will get to a viable candidate for a while. It was big news that Gary Johnson got all the way up to 2% in a national poll the other day.

[Zealous Donkey]

hblask, on Thursday, August 11th, 2011, 7:03 PM, said:

The Libertarian Party will never become a real player; they are more like a feeder group for a takeover of the Republican party. It is showing some signs of working in the Ron Paul movement, and even a few old-guard neocons are giving surprising positions once in a while. I think Ron Paul is as close as libertarians will get to a viable candidate for a while. It was big news that Gary Johnson got all the way up to 2% in a national poll the other day.

Yes, I didn't mean the traditional Libertarian Party. I should have made that clear. What I meant is for candidates like Paul and Johnson to actually win. I don't think there is any doubt in your mind that Paul and Johnson are full blown libertarians. I will vote for one or the other in the primary. I would love to see one of the candidates reach out to social conservatives if only to say "Hey we aren't a threat to you, we welcome you to worship and raise your children as you please, but you need to be willing to rise on your merit, not aided by the govt legislating a specific set or moral values." That would be a good way to get a conversation started. I don't care how Paul does in the Iowa Straw poll he is not going to win without winning over a good chunk of social conservatives. In fact, I think Rand Paul would have a better chance than Ron Paul right now, because I think Rand would do better with social conservatives.