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[colonel Feathers]

brvheart, on 21 July 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

FYI: This is a secret Mormon endowment ceremony:On September 23rd, Wikileaks and a couple other sites are going to release the endowment ceremony of Mitt Romney. During the secret ceremony, Romney declares that every position he attains in life will be for the benefit of the church.

Nothing like getting totally stoked over a religious ceremony when its convienient to a certain point of view.

[mrdannyg]

Yep, that's Brvheart: flaming liberal and anti-religious zealot.

[colonel Feathers]

mrdannyg, on 23 July 2012 - 05:35 AM, said:

Yep, that's Brvheart: flaming liberal and anti-religious zealot.

What?

[mrdannyg]

brvheart, on 21 July 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

FYI: This is a secret Mormon endowment ceremony:On September 23rd, Wikileaks and a couple other sites are going to release the endowment ceremony of Mitt Romney. During the secret ceremony, Romney declares that every position he attains in life will be for the benefit of the church.

This reminded me of what we often see with racists talking about Muslims:http://www.huffingto..._n_1697793.htmlTo be honest, I have some problem with both. More so the Mormon situation, since Mormon's make a pledge, as adults, whereas Muslims more implicitly follow a book. People call themselves Christians without strictly following every word of the Bible, so can Mormons. I don't think it's equal to assume that an adult taking a pledge is equally meaningless. Still, I'm really only quibbling here, I see a lot of similarities in the situations.

[akoff]

mrdannyg, on 24 July 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

This reminded me of what we often see with racists talking about Muslims:http://www.huffingto..._n_1697793.htmlTo be honest, I have some problem with both. More so the Mormon situation, since Mormon's make a pledge, as adults, whereas Muslims more implicitly follow a book. People call themselves Christians without strictly following every word of the Bible, so can Mormons. I don't think it's equal to assume that an adult taking a pledge is equally meaningless. Still, I'm really only quibbling here, I see a lot of similarities in the situations.

being a muslim is choice, same as being a jew, mormon or christian...you chose to follow the religion or not.just so i understand when racists are talking about muslims are they talking about brown muslims or white ones? that confused me because i thought being a muslim was a religion...

[mrdannyg]

akoff, on 24 July 2012 - 11:26 AM, said:

being a muslim is choice, same as being a jew, mormon or christian...you chose to follow the religion or not.just so i understand when racists are talking about muslims are they talking about brown muslims or white ones? that confused me because i thought being a muslim was a religion...

Is your point that I used "racist" to describe a religious choice? If so, then I acknowledge that was a very stupid thing to do, though doesn't really change the point of my post. If that wasn't your point, then I don't get it.

[akoff]

mrdannyg, on 24 July 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

Is your point that I used "racist" to describe a religious choice? If so, then I acknowledge that was a very stupid thing to do, though doesn't really change the point of my post. If that wasn't your point, then I don't get it.

i didn't get your whole post, you said the mormons bother you more because they take a pledge as an adult as opposed to a muslim that follows a book. both are religions, both are followed by each persons free will, both have a book that sets a path to be followed...they are the same thing. having a larger problem with one over the other is silly. even if throw out the fact that muslims kill people all over the world everyday (more then any other religion), reign terror on half the world, have training camps set up for the sole purpose of jihad or whatever the ****k they call it... i don't how it would possible to have a bigger problem with a mormon than a muslim.

[Balloon guy]

Donny Osmond ?

[mrdannyg]

akoff, on 24 July 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

i didn't get your whole post, you said the mormons bother you more because they take a pledge as an adult as opposed to a muslim that follows a book. both are religions, both are followed by each persons free will, both have a book that sets a path to be followed...they are the same thing. having a larger problem with one over the other is silly. even if throw out the fact that muslims kill people all over the world everyday (more then any other religion), reign terror on half the world, have training camps set up for the sole purpose of jihad or whatever the ****k they call it... i don't how it would possible to have a bigger problem with a mormon than a muslim.

Well, glad you missed on the really really stupid thing I said, and instead argued something else, and poorly at that.You know what, I'm not even going to address the post, it's nothing but xenophobia, and you are obviously very happy forming extreme and negative opinions without the necessary knowledge to do so, so all I can say is that I hope you are never in a position to do harm with your hate.

[akoff]

mrdannyg, on 24 July 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

Well, glad you missed on the really really stupid thing I said, and instead argued something else, and poorly at that.You know what, I'm not even going to address the post, it's nothing but xenophobia, and you are obviously very happy forming extreme and negative opinions without the necessary knowledge to do so, so all I can say is that I hope you are never in a position to do harm with your hate.

i didn't miss it the stupid comment, i mentioned it once and let it go.i don't know where you got hate from, i gave credit to muslim as a religion the same being jewish or christain...the fact that muslims right now are some of the most violent people in the world has nothing do with hate - it is just a fact.honestly the only things i really hate are out of control spending, political correctness, people or groups or who are fiscally stupid, people that don't take responsibility and 3 putts...everyone hates 3 putts!!i don't care enough about any Muslim to hate them

[mrdannyg]

akoff, on 25 July 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

i didn't miss it the stupid comment, i mentioned it once and let it go.i don't know where you got hate from, i gave credit to muslim as a religion the same being jewish or christain...the fact that muslims right now are some of the most violent people in the world has nothing do with hate - it is just a fact.honestly the only things i really hate are out of control spending, political correctness, people or groups or who are fiscally stupid, people that don't take responsibility and 3 putts...everyone hates 3 putts!!i don't care enough about any Muslim to hate them

How magnanimous of you to give credit to Muslim as being a religion. And doubly so that you are kind enough not to hate them by not caring about any of them. You obviously have a well-rounded and thoughtfully considered view of the world.Christians are the most violent group of people in the world. Not hate, just a fact. They just don't consider themselves to be because they assume their Christian morality to be general morality, whereas the world (including Muslims) acknowledge that the Muslim religion determines the ethical views of those who follow.

[akoff]

mrdannyg, on 25 July 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

How magnanimous of you to give credit to Muslim as being a religion. And doubly so that you are kind enough not to hate them by not caring about any of them. You obviously have a well-rounded and thoughtfully considered view of the world.Christians are the most violent group of people in the world. Not hate, just a fact. They just don't consider themselves to be because they assume their Christian morality to be general morality, whereas the world (including Muslims) acknowledge that the Muslim religion determines the ethical views of those who follow.

Christian are the most violent group of poeple in the world...hmmm got it, pretty sure there is no point in continuing this conversation. i only have an hour left to work today, golf at 11 so i have to go.

[JustDoIt]

mrdannyg, on 24 July 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

This reminded me of what we often see with racists talking about Muslims:http://www.huffingto..._n_1697793.htmlTo be honest, I have some problem with both. More so the Mormon situation, since Mormon's make a pledge, as adults, whereas Muslims more implicitly follow a book. People call themselves Christians without strictly following every word of the Bible, so can Mormons. I don't think it's equal to assume that an adult taking a pledge is equally meaningless. Still, I'm really only quibbling here, I see a lot of similarities in the situations.

In your link Wes Harris words could have been chosen better. It is obvious that he is totally pissed at John McCain and John Boehner who obviously did not read the letter Rep. Bachmann that caused this media driven BS. He also pissed because of John McCain’s previous statement to SPIEGEL ONLINE.John McCain on the Dangers of the Muslim Brotherhood “They Should Be Excluded from any Transition Government”http://www.spiegel.d...t-a-743819.htmlAs far as the article you linked, when you check out the facts of the situation you will find that the article is nothing more than a hack job with ZERO sources for the following statements.“Conspiracy theories about Secretary of State Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin being linked to the Muslim Brotherhood ““Loosely sourced contention that Huma Abedin, the Muslim-American wife of former Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), had ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.”The letters written by Representative Bachmann definitely was not loosely sourced and contained not even a sliver of conspiracy theories. And Rep. Bachmann never said Huma Abedin had ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.And yes all of Representative Bachmann’s letters are available for reading.“Practicing Muslim and fellow Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) didn't take to kindly to Bachmann's insinuations, and sent her a letter asking her to provide him with "a full accounting of the sources you used to make the serious allegations against the individuals and organizations in your letters." He also warned her that there had better be "credible, substantial evidence" for her claims.”Yes, Rep. Ellison who started this brouhaha with his lies and misrepresentation demanded a letter, and he received a letter from Rep. Backmann.http://bachmann.hous...ep._ellison.pdfRead the letter. I think you will agree that Rep. Ellison was exposed for who he is, A LIAR.Looking back in history we see that we have been having this conversation since the 1700’s. http://www.city-jour...n.htmlJefferson would perhaps have been just as eager to send a squadron to put down anyChristian piracy that was restraining commerce. But one cannot get around what Jefferson heard when he went with John Adams to wait upon Tripoli’s ambassador to London in March 1785. When they inquired by what right the Barbary states preyed upon American shipping, enslaving both crews and passengers, America’s two foremost envoys were informed that “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.” (It is worth noting that the United States played no part in the Crusades, or in the Catholic reconquista of Andalusia.)

[mrdannyg]

JustDoIt, on 25 July 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

In your link Wes Harris words could have been chosen better. It is obvious that he is totally pissed at John McCain and John Boehner who obviously did not read the letter Rep. Bachmann that caused this media driven BS. He also pissed because of John McCain’s previous statement to SPIEGEL ONLINE.John McCain on the Dangers of the Muslim Brotherhood “They Should Be Excluded from any Transition Government”http://www.spiegel.d...t-a-743819.htmlAs far as the article you linked, when you check out the facts of the situation you will find that the article is nothing more than a hack job with ZERO sources for the following statements.“Conspiracy theories about Secretary of State Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin being linked to the Muslim Brotherhood ““Loosely sourced contention that Huma Abedin, the Muslim-American wife of former Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), had ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.”The letters written by Representative Bachmann definitely was not loosely sourced and contained not even a sliver of conspiracy theories. And Rep. Bachmann never said Huma Abedin had ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.And yes all of Representative Bachmann’s letters are available for reading.“Practicing Muslim and fellow Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) didn't take to kindly to Bachmann's insinuations, and sent her a letter asking her to provide him with "a full accounting of the sources you used to make the serious allegations against the individuals and organizations in your letters." He also warned her that there had better be "credible, substantial evidence" for her claims.”Yes, Rep. Ellison who started this brouhaha with his lies and misrepresentation demanded a letter, and he received a letter from Rep. Backmann.http://bachmann.hous...ep._ellison.pdfRead the letter. I think you will agree that Rep. Ellison was exposed for who he is, A LIAR.Looking back in history we see that we have been having this conversation since the 1700’s. http://www.city-jour..._jefferson.htmlJefferson would perhaps have been just as eager to send a squadron to put down anyChristian piracy that was restraining commerce. But one cannot get around what Jefferson heard when he went with John Adams to wait upon Tripoli’s ambassador to London in March 1785. When they inquired by what right the Barbary states preyed upon American shipping, enslaving both crews and passengers, America’s two foremost envoys were informed that “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.” (It is worth noting that the United States played no part in the Crusades, or in the Catholic reconquista of Andalusia.)

I'm not interested in arguing the specifics, or Bachmann/Ellison or anything. I was just pointing out the similarity between the anti-Muslim position that is often taken publicly by politicans and usually defended by people like me, and the anti-Mormon position which I see being taken very rarely by actual politicians and often taken by people like me. I think we're all being pretty contradictory.

[FCP Bob]

This is pretty funny but a sad commentary on the state of politics.I almost expected to be offered a Sham Wow at the end.

[JustDoIt]

mrdannyg, on 26 July 2012 - 05:12 AM, said:

I'm not interested in arguing the specifics, or Bachmann/Ellison or anything. I was just pointing out the similarity between the anti-Muslim position that is often taken publicly by politicans and usually defended by people like me, and the anti-Mormon position which I see being taken very rarely by actual politicians and often taken by people like me. I think we're all being pretty contradictory.

I understand what you are saying. I was pointing out that RHETORIC and LIES obfuscate legitimate concerns. I will use Mr. Harris as a example. He has a legitimate issue with John McCain, but his inflammatory rhetoric totally obfuscated his issue.I understand your concerns with the Mormon Church. I could argue that Mitt Romney could fulfill his commitment to the church by being a good President. And of course we have another Mormon in the position of power Harry Reid.When it comes to Mormons I guess you could call me biased since I live in Mormon country and grew up with friends who are Mormon including one who was very high in the church being a member of the Quorum of 70.The church does a lot of good including their welfare system. In my neighborhood the elderly of all faiths do not have to worry about fall leaves because the Mormons go through the neighbor hood and clean up the leaves. And of course I let my Mormon neighbor farm my land. They have raised 12 kids and every morning when I get up the 4 kids still at home are already out there working.I know a person not by label but by what is in their heart.

[Balloon guy]

mrdannyg, on 25 July 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

How magnanimous of you to give credit to Muslim as being a religion. And doubly so that you are kind enough not to hate them by not caring about any of them. You obviously have a well-rounded and thoughtfully considered view of the world.Christians are the most violent group of people in the world. Not hate, just a fact. They just don't consider themselves to be because they assume their Christian morality to be general morality, whereas the world (including Muslims) acknowledge that the Muslim religion determines the ethical views of those who follow.

Did they change the definitions of words last night? Cause fact doesn't mean what you are trying to mean.In fact, if you divide amount of violence by years in action, atheism is so far and away the most violent world view, that Islam would be classified a mild level of violence.Of course, killing people is what atheist are best at, that and sucking off the society Christians created, while never creating anything themselves ( except for the mass graves and better ways of killing the most people in a short period of time )Now those are actual facts, not revisionist silliness only believed by the sheep who can't figure out the Google!

[JustDoIt]

FCP Bob, on 26 July 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

This is pretty funny but a sad commentary on the state of politics.I almost expected to be offered a Sham Wow at the end.

Again obfuscating the issues.Edit:Kind of crazy isn't it?Va. state senator blames racism for Romney gains...........Lucas is a member of Obama’s “Truth Team,”http://www.washingto...h?v=03876wG1pmY

[akoff]

you will learn Bob seldom posts links to anything but liberal garbage. he is very smooth but don't let that mislead you he is way left of most.

[DJ Vu]

akoff, on 26 July 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

you will learn Bob seldom posts links to anything but liberal garbage.

lol