PocketAcesA5, on Monday, August 1st, 2011, 8:40 AM, said:
So here's my question. With the small pairs and suited connectors, you can push people off of their hands maybe about 50% of the time depending on the person and what not but they'll run it multiple times if you're in a flip scenario. Wouldn't you're implied odds go up in that case as long as you're in that situation with someone you know has a decent chance of folding or willing to run it multiple times?
You're going to need to elaborate more here. I am unsure what you mean that "you can push them off their hands about 50% of the time...". Vs a villain who has a shorter stack, say $20-$40 in this game, I assume you won't be able to push them off of their hands very much at all. I suspect they will be getting it in with 99+ and AQ, AK and maybe some KQ and other suited broadway (espec AJs ATs) type hands. You will have some fold equity if you raise a wider range, including SC's and small pairs, and cbet when they miss with their wide range, but that is the case with almost any player and stack size.SC's and small pairs do very poorly vs that type of range. Vs a shorter stack (hopefully closer to $40 and not $20) SC's have almost no value bc it's hard to make a flush or straight. And small pairs are alright bc if you can get to see the flop for $3 on average, you will have ~12-1 ($40-$3=$37/$3= 12.3 implied odds when you make a set. I would advise against trying to move people off of hands at a 50nl home game. I would remove the SC's and small pairs, 22-77 from my range when there are short stacks in the hand and focus entirely on playing big suited cards and obv teh big pairs.
PocketAcesA5, on Monday, August 1st, 2011, 8:56 AM, said:
1) You can play tight and you will profit from doing so, but you won't profit much. 2) I see people come in all of the time and play tight then bust, maybe buy in again, bust and leave. They do pay attention to people, they're not completely stupid. i.e. They are capable of folding AQo pre flop sometimes. 3) Like if you're dealt Jacks in the small blind in this game and there's a raise to $3 or $4 from .25 .50. You have to shove your stack depending on how much you have. If you make it $15 for example which is a decent re raise in LP in this game, you will get 4 callers on average. Then how the hell do you play it post flop? 4) I'll stick to jacks for now but if you're dealt Jacks in this game you have to either set mine/slow play them until the flop at least or shove pre flop to profit long term in this game.
1) If playing tight won't profit you much, then this game probably isn't as good as you think. In a "good" game, you should be able to patiently wait for a good hand, bet bet bet and expect to get called down exceptionally light. I do believe this is probably the case in the game you play in, and short term variance is effecting your outlook. 2) This is probably some of that short term variance. Also, just because a player plays tight pre-flop doesn't mean they are good at poker. I know lots of live players who nit it up and wait for big suited AX and broadway hands, and pairs but have no idea how to play post-flop so they constantly lose. They also bitch a lot about how their AK never wins when in fact they often butcher the hand bc they don't take into account stack sizes, player types, game flow etc.3) If there was a raise to $3 and a few calls and I had JJ and a $40 stack, I'd cram it in just about every time. If a tight player made the initial raise, I'd call and set mine, check/folding most flops. The other option is to raise to $15-$19 like you said and then just cram it in on just about any flop. It's high variance but definitely profitable. If you 3bet to $15 and get 2-3 callers, the pot will be between $45 and $60 with a $25 stack, so you can shove almost any flop with some fold equity and a great chance of getting it in as a huge favorite. If you 3bet and the flop comes 268, you will get able to get action from 8x, 99, TT and maybe even some naked over cards or draws. You're crushing that range and it more than makes up for the times you get it in vs a set, slow played over pair or the times you jam a K high board and lose to KT (bc if he calls the 3b with KT, he's stacking off that T high flop too.4) The biggest thing I'm noting in your posts is that you are looking for a cookie-cutter, ABC way to beat this game when this won't be the case. The way you beat this game isn't by having a rigid game plan for how to play JJ or AQ (trouble hands for sure), but by being attentive and tailoring your plan (with any hand) to the player type and stack size and loads of other things.