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[SiliconSlim]

Ok, so going out in 373 isn't exactly losing, but still. :)I had to ask this guy if he had somewhere to be, I mean, wtf? No heart on the turn, so my chance to put him off it. I mean, why would he call there? Should I have led out on the turn so he wouldn't be "pot committed?"Critique away!***** Hand History for Game 2115863489 *****15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12585695) - Fri May 27 21:39:31 EDT 2005Table Quarter Million Qualifier(347365) Table 10 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10Seat 1: rich1940 (1928)Seat 2: celerino10 (975)Seat 3: SiliconSlim (1065)Seat 4: johncru (1005)Seat 5: EightDogWin (910)Seat 6: DUTSREKOP (505)Seat 7: ELTAMALERO (1090)Seat 8: nate36 (575)Seat 9: malff (985)Seat 10: FooDog17 (962)EightDogWin posts small blind (10)DUTSREKOP posts big blind (15)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to SiliconSlim [ Jd, As ] ELTAMALERO folds.nate36 folds.malff folds.FooDog17 calls (15)rich1940 calls (15)celerino10 calls (15)SiliconSlim raises (65) to 65johncru calls (65)EightDogWin folds.DUTSREKOP folds.FooDog17 folds.rich1940 calls (50)celerino10 folds.** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ah, Jc, 6h ] rich1940 checks.SiliconSlim bets (95)johncru raises (190) to 190rich1940 folds.SiliconSlim calls (95)** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2d ] SiliconSlim checks.johncru bets (375)SiliconSlim raises (810) to 810SiliconSlim is all-In.johncru calls (375)johncru is all-In.** Dealing River ** : [ 5h ] Creating Main Pot with $2130 with johncruCreating Side Pot 1 with $60 with SiliconSlim** Summary **Main Pot: 2130 | Side Pot 1: 60Board: [ Ah Jc 6h 2d 5h ]rich1940 balance 1863, lost 65 (folded) celerino10 balance 960, lost 15 (folded) SiliconSlim balance 60, bet 1065, collected 60, lost -1005 [ Jd As ] [ two pairs, aces and jacks -- As,Ah,Jd,Jc,6h ]johncru balance 2130, bet 1005, collected 2130, net +1125 [ Kh Qh ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ah,Kh,Qh,6h,5h ]EightDogWin balance 900, lost 10 (folded) DUTSREKOP balance 490, lost 15 (folded) ELTAMALERO balance 1090, didn't bet (folded)nate36 balance 575, didn't bet (folded)malff balance 985, didn't bet (folded)FooDog17 balance 947, lost 15 (folded)

[rivercardbandit]

So, before you get lambasted for not using the converter, please, use the converter. You'll get better and more responses if it's in a format that's easily read. You can get to it here: http://www.selachian...hhconverter.cgi I took the liberty.Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converterMP2 (t1928)MP3 (t975)Hero (t1065)Button (t1005)SB (t910)BB (t505)UTG (t1090)UTG+1 (t575)UTG+2 (t985)MP1 (t962)Preflop: Hero is CO with [J:diamond:], [A:spade:]. 3 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t50, MP3 folds.Flop: (t250) [A:heart:], [J:club:], [6:heart:] (3 players)MP2 checks, Hero bets t95, MP2 folds, Hero calls t95.Turn: (t630) [2:diamond:] (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets t375, Button calls t375 (All-In).River: (t2190) [5:heart:] (2 players, 2 all-in)Final Pot: t2190

[rivercardbandit]

I don't play a lot of NL, but I wouldn't have gone all-in. I'd have called the turn and folded to a river bet.But, like I said, I don't play NL.

[gobears]

Bet the turn; at least 2/3 of the pot. You have to protect your two pair against the potential flush draw. He may call anyways because of the flush and straight draws, but at least the odds won't be in his favor.By checking and him betting, he's priced in to call your all-in.

[DCWildcat]

Also, try not to post results, or even to hint at them. It produces results-oriented thinking.I'd lead out on the turn. Any check-raise will have him pot-committed.

[DCWildcat]

Damn, gobears beat me to it 8)

[SiliconSlim]

DCWildcat said:

Also, try not to post results, or even to hint at them. It produces results-oriented thinking.I'd lead out on the turn. Any check-raise will have him pot-committed.

Yeah, sorry, my post was apparently all ****ed up.In any case, yeah, I think leading out with a big bet on the turn is the play. Ah well.

[CieloAzor]

I actually don't mind getting him committed on the turn, as I figure to have the best hand. If you go all-in straight off, he's probably only calling with the set of sixes.Do you come on here and post this if you win the hand? I bet not. Survey saaaays...Bad beat post.

[Makata]

First of all, take a bit of solace in the fact there was virtually no way you could have moved him off the hand. He had minimum 11, possibly 12 outs (depending on your hand). Most online players will never, ever, fold in that situation, and depending on how the betting went, it would be correct not to. On the flop you were only a 60/40 lead believe it or not. He had 11 immediate outs, plus the possibility (albeit slim) of running K's or Q's.Going into the turn there was 605 in the pot, and he had only 750 in front of him (the fact you had a bit more was of course irrelivant). Shoving at that point MIGHT have gotten some players to fold such a massive draw, certainly some of the better players. But against your average online player, it wasn't happening.Personally, in your position, I'd have reraised all in on the flop. Although you flopped the current best hand against all but a set, the board is EXTREMELY connected. Simply calling the raise lets any 2 hearts or KQ/KT/QT, or even QQ/TT see the turn for (at that point) free. While you may have the best hand now, there's a HUGE number of hands that can have you drawing thin to dead if they hit their turn: AK, AQ, KK, QQ, QK, QT, TJ, or any 2 hearts. With the exception of a flush possibility, you can almost guarantee that the raiser has one of these types of hands. His raise was minimum, usually the sign of a draw trying to get the river for free. If he had a set (the only current thing you're losing to), he'd probably have raised alot more.By calling here, you are almost forced to muck if a K, Q, T, or heart comes up on the turn and he shows serious aggression. Suppose turn was Ks, and the same thing happened, check-raise and he calls, only to flop KK or QT. If this were a ring game, I'd say go for a check-raise on a safe turn, but this was a tournament and sometimes you need to sacrifice taking down huge pots to make sure you're not busted by a fluke (such as this). The way you played it, he was more than correct to call the check-raise (at that point he was getting 1730 to 375 (over 4.5 to 1) on his 11 outter. Shoving on the turn (or perhaps flop) means that while he could still call and win, at least he'd be mathematically incorrect to do so.

[bascomeb]

does anyone instead of playing cash games, play sit and gos constantly and make a good amount of money that way?Sit and gos just seem more enjoyable then cash games because it seems more competitive

[Dubey]

SiliconSlim said:

Ok, so going out in 373 isn't exactly losing, but still. :)I had to ask this guy if he had somewhere to be, I mean, wtf? No heart on the turn, so my chance to put him off it. I mean, why would he call there? Should I have led out on the turn so he wouldn't be "pot committed?"

why would he call? He'd be stupid to fold in that situation. I think he played the hand fine actually, He bets 90 with his nut flush draw to build the pot if he hits, you min raise him, of course he is going to call. You show weakness by checking the turn, he semi-bluffs and you put him all in. At this point there is nearly 2000 in the pot and he has 375 chips left, and 12 outs. you expect him to fold?

[Petoria]

There is a bad beat forum, and this seems like the time for it. He has enough outs to justify calling. If he wants to make a move early in the tournament, thats his business.

[amarillotg]

on the flop you bet 95 into a 250 dollar pot. this is a mistake imo. with 2 to a flush on board i'd bet about 200 into this pot. and if i was raised i'd proabably be re-raising.the way you bet though, he played it nicely.