big draw

[econ_tim 0]

FullTilt $1/$2Preflop: econ_tim.2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, econ_tim 2 folds, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (8.5 SB) [Jd Tc Js]BB bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, econ_tim calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.Turn: (10 BB) [Kh]BB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, econ_tim BB folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls.River: (14 BB) [4c]MP3 checks, econ_tim checks. Final pot: 14 BBSo I know I should have value bet the river. Do I cap the flop?

[KDawgCometh 2]

if you had more then a flush draw to go with it then yea its a big draw, but here w/callRR I just want to hit an Ace or nine. I don't think that youe king is a clean out here as I'd be willing to bet that MP3 is doing this w/trip jacks. Reads would be beautiful here

[econ_tim 0]

MP3 is an agressive player, who I play with a lot. So he knows I'm also agressive. His 3 bet could mean a jack, but it could also mean he has a decent pair or a draw.KDawg, do you think I should just call it down unless I make the straight?

[KDawgCometh 2]

MP3 is an agressive player, who I play with a lot. So he knows I'm also agressive. His 3 bet could mean a jack, but it could also mean he has a decent pair or a draw.KDawg, do you think I should just call it down unless I make the straight?

yup. let him siphon off his chips to you if he has a ten

[trippkc 0]

Maybe I'm misreading something here, but I don't see where your "big draw" is. There was no flush draw and you don't have any clean outs for your straight. I don't think you should have capped the flop as he could easily have trips and with a hand like AJ he has one of your outs killed. Obviously when he checks on the river you should be betting, but I think not capping the flop was correct.

[Guest]

FullTilt $1/$2Preflop: econ_tim.2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, econ_tim 2 folds, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.Easy raiseFlop: (8.5 SB) [Jd Tc Js]BB bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, econ_tim calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.Good raise, getting 3-bet sucks and capping is horrible.Turn: (10 BB) [Kh]BB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, econ_tim BB folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls.I hate this raise. There is little chance your K's are good so you either have to hit another K or the straight.River: (14 BB) [4c]MP3 checks, econ_tim checks.  Betting here is ok, but so is checking. Personally I prefer checking as you don't want to get raised and even if you don't I'm not sure if your K's are good.Final pot: 14 BBSo I know I should have value bet the river.  Do I cap the flop?

Your draw here isn't really that huge. It's a standard OESD with overs that might be clean. The paired board is a BIG problem though. Now, even if you do make the straight you may not win and the amount this will cost you is a lot. Rasiing the flop is still good, but after getting 3-bet you have to slow down.Zara

[econ_tim 0]

You guys are such pessimists. :wink: I know it's not an open ended straight flush draw, but it's still better than most. And you can always be scared of the J. Anyway, thanks for the feedback.

[trippkc 0]

You guys are such pessimists. :wink: I know it's not an open ended straight flush draw, but it's still better than most. And you can always be scared of the J. Anyway, thanks for the feedback.

Well when I saw the title of the thread I WAS thinking it was gonna be something like an open-ended straight flush draw. However, just an open-ended straight draw with a pair on the board isn't really that big. Your play was fine, but your "big draw" was misleading. I'm assuming from your opponent's play that he was also on a draw or a smaller pair as he slowed down a lot. There is no point to capping the flop because you still won't know if he has a jack or not. After you raise again on the turn and he just calls, he either has that 10 or a weak jack (or some kind of draw), but after he checks the river you can be certain your K is good. If it wasn't then you can at least be happy you didn't lose an extra bet or 2 from your opponent's weak play.