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#1 MattD

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 03:26 AM

Hey, only a small hand but, im curious if it was played correct?I open for 5x against the limpers and get 2 Callers, which im suprised at, i CBet with a Gut shot, Overcards and backdoor flush at 60% pot, 1 caller, i Then Checked, this is the part im not sure i played correct, i obviously showed weakness and he bet me on the River, looked like he was value betting me with 77's? Or should i have Called,Raised? Any advice appreciated.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB ($16.48)Hero (BB) ($14.84)UTG ($25.36)UTG+1 ($9.18)MP1 ($10.53)MP2 ($25)CO ($5.37)Button ($25.78)Preflop: Hero is BB with A :3h, Q :qh2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero bets $1.25, MP1 calls $1, 1 fold, SB calls $1Flop: ($4) 4 :5c, 2 :jh, 5 :club: (3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $2.28, 1 fold, SB calls $2.28Turn: ($8.56) J :ts (2 players)SB checks, Hero checksRiver: ($8.56) 9 :4h (2 players)SB bets $2, Hero foldsTotal pot: $8.56 | Rake: $0.41

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 07:11 AM

I make my cbet a tad larger $2.75-$3 should do the trick. There is nothing wrong with cbetting as there is a lot of dead money and we he have decent/good equity vs most of their calling ranges.The turn decision is alright imo. We can def put pressure on hands like 5x, 77, like you said, but we might have to barrel river to get him to fold those.I don't mind giving up when you cbet multiway and get called.The river is meh. Without reads I mostly fold, sometimes go for the hero call and would be tempted to raise some small % of time. His bet is likely a "zomg I have set and want some value" or a cheap bluff/clicking buttons with 33, so a raise to $6.50 or so would be a relatively cheap rebluff.Do you play with a hud? Any stats/reads would make this hand easier to play/analyze, but w/o reads, I think you played it fine, I'd just cbet a bit larger.
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 12:50 PM

That turn's a really good card to bet, imo. It shouldn't hit anything he's just calling with and it allows you to continue repping a large hand. In my mind, if you fire the flop you have to fire that turn. If you're not comfortable doing that, checking the flop is probably the better play for you.Then you get small blockered on the river which ices you pretty nicely here. This is a guy you're going to have position on, so if you're curious, I think the call is worth learning how he plays for that price. You're even occasionally taking down a pot from a monkey. I don't think bluff raising this river works after your turn play. You'd have to be catching the SB with a very specific hand of 67 to get the fold, any piece is likely calling your line.
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 02:11 PM

Buy in full, use auto top off.I doubt I cbet here.It's the kind of board you'll need to barrel quite often since it's highly unlikely you'll get both players to fold the flop. Also the stack sizes of all players don't really give you room to barrel anyways.As played on the river, I just fold.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 04:04 PM

we don't have enough money behind to apply any sort of pressure here so as jon says buy in full

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 04:54 PM

I didn't note the stack sizes and would like to +1 the jon and trystero sentiments of not cbetting...And play 10nl if you don't have the roll to top off at 25nl, for sure
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Posted 05 June 2011 - 10:22 AM

Terrible c-bet tbh. I try not to c-bet wheel textures. Not only are you never making better hands fold, but you are certainly going to get a lot of worse ace highs to come along. I like a check-call or a check-raise equally good. Also, I think that was a bad fold on the river.
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Posted 06 June 2011 - 06:26 AM

View PostNinja Ace, on Sunday, June 5th, 2011, 2:22 PM, said:

Terrible c-bet tbh. I try not to c-bet wheel textures. Not only are you never making better hands fold, but you are certainly going to get a lot of worse ace highs to come along. I like a check-call or a check-raise equally good. Also, I think that was a bad fold on the river.
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Posted 06 June 2011 - 06:34 AM

View Posttrystero, on Monday, June 6th, 2011, 8:26 AM, said:

I don't believe that you wouldn't c/bet this board
I do believe he would c/r it though :club:
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Posted 08 June 2011 - 10:46 AM

am i the only one who thinks this multiway being OOP that we often times blow this pot up and have a sh*t time playing this a lot the time when we miss? i can def see just checking pre with a 50BB stack and going from there. Clearly the table is really LP, so why try to make them fold pre or on the flop when they are peeling us a ton? seems like the type of table pure vbetting will be insanely profitable againstif you decide to squeeze pre and cbet the flop, i think you have to be pushing the turn. we have some equity, and we should make a lot of PP's fold down even against LP's. I dont think the line as a whole is ideal or optimal but idk how we can bet the flop and not be getting in a psb here, which goes back to the point of not cbetting this flop
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Posted 08 June 2011 - 11:37 AM

View PostKingJames, on Saturday, June 4th, 2011, 10:11 AM, said:

I make my cbet a tad larger $2.75-$3 should do the trick. There is nothing wrong with cbetting as there is a lot of dead money and we he have decent/good equity vs most of their calling ranges.The turn decision is alright imo. We can def put pressure on hands like 5x, 77, like you said, but we might have to barrel river to get him to fold those.I don't mind giving up when you cbet multiway and get called.The river is meh. Without reads I mostly fold, sometimes go for the hero call and would be tempted to raise some small % of time. His bet is likely a "zomg I have set and want some value" or a cheap bluff/clicking buttons with 33, so a raise to $6.50 or so would be a relatively cheap rebluff.Do you play with a hud? Any stats/reads would make this hand easier to play/analyze, but w/o reads, I think you played it fine, I'd just cbet a bit larger.
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