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#21 XXEddie

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 03:27 PM

Random thought: Is there any point in 3betting pre? Villain is the the HJ and with the poster and the COs flat there's a decent amount of dead money and we should have the best hand a decent % of the time. Even if a villain has a small-med PP it'll be hard for them to continue on the flop without a set.I mean, I probably don't 3b much here. Just throwing it out there.

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 03:32 PM

View PostXXEddie, on Monday, July 18th, 2011, 5:27 PM, said:

Random thought: Is there any point in 3betting pre? Villain is the the HJ and with the poster and the COs flat there's a decent amount of dead money and we should have the best hand a decent % of the time. Even if a villain has a small-med PP it'll be hard for them to continue on the flop without a set.I mean, I probably don't 3b much here. Just throwing it out there.
totally villain/stat dependent but yeah there is prob some value to be had in a 3bI personally like playing a smaller pot IP with deeper stacks but I think we can def put a lot of pressure on the mp and collect some dead money etc
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 04:24 PM

I like how James does this incredible math analysis and the dbag completely ignores it.

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I don't mind folding out hands we beat.

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 05:29 PM

View PostXXEddie, on Monday, July 18th, 2011, 3:27 PM, said:

Random thought: Is there any point in 3betting pre? Villain is the the HJ and with the poster and the COs flat there's a decent amount of dead money and we should have the best hand a decent % of the time. Even if a villain has a small-med PP it'll be hard for them to continue on the flop without a set.I mean, I probably don't 3b much here. Just throwing it out there.
Actually I think 3betting pre here is wonderful more often than not. HJ and CO's range should be weaker so we should be taking a lot down uncontested. We rarely get 4 bet bluffed in this spot with the flat caller (at this level), and AK/AQ may do something stupid like flat where we take lots of dough uncontested on the flop fairly often.
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 05:30 PM

View PostKingJames, on Monday, July 18th, 2011, 7:32 PM, said:

totally villain/stat dependent but yeah there is prob some value to be had in a 3bI personally like playing a smaller pot IP with deeper stacks but I think we can def put a lot of pressure on the mp and collect some dead money etc
ohhhhh, so now all the sudden we is deep stacked?get your story straight, fish.

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 06:04 PM

View Postdonk4life, on Monday, July 18th, 2011, 6:24 PM, said:

I like how James does this incredible math analysis and the dbag completely ignores it.
you noticing has brightened my day considerably :club:

View PostSuperJon, on Monday, July 18th, 2011, 7:30 PM, said:

ohhhhh, so now all the sudden we is deep stacked?get your story straight, fish.
fml... we're deep-er-ish-ly stacked obv
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 11:46 PM

View PostNinja Ace, on Monday, July 18th, 2011, 2:40 PM, said:

Post less and read more. Everything James posted here about equity is about the only argument applicable. Every regular here already knows this stuff hence it's actually quite a boring auto-ship.You've managed to hit just about every logical fallacy a newbie tends to hit while still upholding an ignorant know it all attitude. Congrats. I'll see you back here later after you put your entire roll in play and bust it... on 5 separate occasions... then whine about how it was a "bad beat" by some "idiot with a draw"
I get it in with the nuts and get called by a combo draw, I'm ok with it. I dont 4 table, I dont bust and am happy to play over-aggressive players online bc of situations like the one above. Its a seperate opinion. Ive made a living at this game for 2 years and differ in opinion from anyone apparently in the forum. Its not a know it all attitude, its just paid my bills for 2 years and its how I play and what I believe. I live the dream! Ill go 5 table 5-10 now and come back whining to tell you how right you were. Ha. nh.

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 12:17 AM

View PostIgotlucky24, on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011, 1:46 AM, said:

I get it in with the nuts and get called by a combo draw, I'm ok with it. I dont 4 table, I dont bust and am happy to play over-aggressive players online bc of situations like the one above. Its a seperate opinion. Ive made a living at this game for 2 years and differ in opinion from anyone apparently in the forum. Its not a know it all attitude, its just paid my bills for 2 years and its how I play and what I believe. I live the dream! Ill go 5 table 5-10 now and come back whining to tell you how right you were. Ha. nh.
No one is arguing that getting it in on this flop with the nuts is bad. In fact there are very few situations where getting it in with the nuts on the flop will be -ev. (in plo where you have a nut straight with no re-draws it is apparently good to sometimes fold the flop)The problem in this thread stems from you saying that it is a losing play to 3bet jam the AJhh hand. We have mathematically shown that it is actually break-even or profitable and you have not responded to that.I understand that it may not be your style, but we're talking strictly about equity, not style. It's awesome that you have played (live?) professionally for two years. Maybe for your bankroll and goals, this is not a play you would make, but if the play is +ev, assuming we don't have bankroll or tilt issues, there is not reason not to take the equity.Just to finish this up:We always make a calculation vs hand rages and not exact hands bc in game we don't know their exact hand... so vs the ranges we described earlier (and if you'd like to discuss those ranges we can do that for sure)Posted ImageThe total pot (assuming we have no fold equity) will be $84.76 minus $2 rake = $82.76We have 39.80% equity in that pot.61.20% of the time, we lose $28.53 (our flop shovel) for a total of -$17.4639.80% of the time we win $54.23 ($84.76 - $2- $28.53) for a total of $21.58Ship the $4.12 every time we get it in here :club:
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Posted 19 July 2011 - 03:48 AM

View PostIgotlucky24, on Tuesday, July 19th, 2011, 3:46 AM, said:

I get it in with the nuts and get called by a combo draw, I'm ok with it. I dont 4 table, I dont bust and am happy to play over-aggressive players online bc of situations like the one above. Its a seperate opinion. Ive made a living at this game for 2 years and differ in opinion from anyone apparently in the forum. Its not a know it all attitude, its just paid my bills for 2 years and its how I play and what I believe. I live the dream! Ill go 5 table 5-10 now and come back whining to tell you how right you were. Ha. nh.
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Posted 20 July 2011 - 11:35 AM

View PostIgotlucky24, on Monday, July 18th, 2011, 11:46 PM, said:

I get it in with the nuts and get called by a combo draw, I'm ok with it. I dont 4 table, I dont bust and am happy to play over-aggressive players online bc of situations like the one above. Its a seperate opinion. Ive made a living at this game for 2 years and differ in opinion from anyone apparently in the forum. Its not a know it all attitude, its just paid my bills for 2 years and its how I play and what I believe. I live the dream! Ill go 5 table 5-10 now and come back whining to tell you how right you were. Ha. nh.
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"Mixing it up" doesn't magically rationalize anything you do. It's like you walk up to a pencil sharpener, pencil in hand, and think, "Everyone expects me to sharpen this pencil, but I'm going to mix it up." Then you whip out your cock and sharpen that instead and yell, "Ha ha, bitches, you never saw that coming!" Well, no, they didn't. But you still have a dull pencil and bleeding dick.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 06:28 PM

2003 called and wants its arguments back.
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Posted 20 July 2011 - 07:07 PM

View Postmtdesmoines, on Wednesday, July 20th, 2011, 9:28 PM, said:

dscoot called, he wants his schtick back
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