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[pkarcher]

Has anyone heard of the site "cheatonpoker.com". They sell software that they claim can let you see other players hands. I play on PartyPoker and they claim it works on that site. I called party about it and they kind of blew me off. Now I'm thinking of buying it and if it works I'm gonna go to every table and tell everyone the site isn't secure...unless someone here can tell me this software is bogus.

[AvoidReality]

It will be bogus, if it worked why sell it? Jus got to the high limits and clean up.

[Mister Hand]

So they have software that lets you see the other player's cards, and are willing to part with it for just $24.95? Awfully generous of them. :roll: There are also sites on the internet selling products that will "guarantee" you can become a winning roulette player, for instance. That doesn't mean they work.I'm not saying it could never be done, but color me very skeptical until someone can show the software is genuine.

[dna4ever]

Our product has been featured in "New York Times Today, USA Today, ESPN.com, and New York Post"I think this is more like a pokertracker software so you can see your statistics and also statistics of hands against other players, etc.If this truly allowed you to see card during live action there would be a lot of millionaires out there ;P[/quote]

[Smasharoo]

Hand is quite correct.If you could see the other people's hole cards, why would you bother selling the software at all.You could make litterally a million a year or more playing with it.It's illogical to sell it to anyone ever.

[pkarcher]

ok. thanks everyone. I guess I'm just being paranoid. A string of beats will do it to you

[tekn0wledg]

Technically speaking it's most likely not possible to create an application of this nature, unless someone left a hole in the software to begin with [disgruntled employee]. But let's be honest, if someone did that and then wrote an application to take advantage of it, they'd know who it was.The only other way this would be possible is if the software was packet sniffing the packets sent from the server to other people's IP addresses. First of all they'd have to know where to get the IPAddress from on the server. It's likely stored in a pointer somewhere, but they'd have to know specifically where it was. In addition, assuming PartyPoker was written using solid coding practices, their variables would be private and not exposed, that virtually eliminates that aspect of sniffing the memory address for IPs of the players at the table.But let's assume that they did somehow get all the IPs of the players at the table. You'd sniff the packet, convert the data to it's native format, assuming it's in ASCII you could just display the cards, but I'm assuming most software is using an encryption algorithm on the cards as well.So as you can see, it could technically be possible, but without the inside knowledg of numerous items above, and more, you would be hard pressed to develop and application that does this.

[Smasharoo]

assuming it's in ASCII you could just display the cards, but I'm assuming most software is using an encryption algorithm on the cards as well. Thye do it's RSA.

[AvoidReality]

tekn0wledg said:

Technically speaking it's most likely not possible to create an application of this nature, unless someone left a hole in the software to begin with [disgruntled employee].  But let's be honest, if someone did that and then wrote an application to take advantage of it, they'd know who it was.The only other way this would be possible is if the software was packet sniffing the packets sent from the server to other people's IP addresses.  First of all they'd have to know where to get the IPAddress from on the server.  It's likely stored in a pointer somewhere, but they'd have to know specifically where it was.  In addition, assuming PartyPoker was written using solid coding practices, their variables would be private and not exposed, that virtually eliminates that aspect of sniffing the memory address for IPs of the players at the table.But let's assume that they did somehow get all the IPs of the players at the table.  You'd sniff the packet, convert the data to it's native format, assuming it's in ASCII you could just display the cards, but I'm assuming most software is using an encryption algorithm on the cards as well.So as you can see, it could technically be possible, but without the inside knowledg of numerous items above, and more, you would be hard pressed to develop and application that does this.

Say what??

[tekn0wledg]

Smasharoo said:

Thye do it's RSA.

Even more unrealistic considering. That's not to say that it's 100% that someone couldn't come up with an app to do this though. But like I said, it would be more likely that they left a hole than anything otherwise.I have seen some reports about older versions of some poker software back before it became real money, wherein the cards were stored in memory on the local machine and displayed at the showdown. Obviously that is highly unsecure and could be easily read from memory and displayed. Fortunately we don't have to worry about that these days.... I hope. That's just hideous coding if so.

[Smasharoo]

I have seen some reports about older versions of some poker software back before it became real money, wherein the cards were stored in memory on the local machine and displayed at the showdown. Obviously that is highly unsecure and could be easily read from memory and displayed. Fortunately we don't have to worry about that these days.... I hope. That's just hideous coding if so.http://itmanagement..../11070_616221_3I think you might be thinking of that.

[Ed]

tekn0wledg said:

Technically speaking it's most likely not possible to create an application of this nature, unless someone left a hole in the software to begin with [disgruntled employee].  But let's be honest, if someone did that and then wrote an application to take advantage of it, they'd know who it was.The only other way this would be possible is if the software was packet sniffing the packets sent from the server to other people's IP addresses.  First of all they'd have to know where to get the IPAddress from on the server.  It's likely stored in a pointer somewhere, but they'd have to know specifically where it was.  In addition, assuming PartyPoker was written using solid coding practices, their variables would be private and not exposed, that virtually eliminates that aspect of sniffing the memory address for IPs of the players at the table.But let's assume that they did somehow get all the IPs of the players at the table.  You'd sniff the packet, convert the data to it's native format, assuming it's in ASCII you could just display the cards, but I'm assuming most software is using an encryption algorithm on the cards as well.So as you can see, it could technically be possible, but without the inside knowledg of numerous items above, and more, you would be hard pressed to develop and application that does this.

Honestly, I have very little idea what you're talking about, but I can guarantee it would cost more than $24.95 to do all that.

[Atlas]

just a thought but what if the software acted like a virus and sooner or later it would be plugged by pokerstars. why else would they blow off the caller. i think by selling that software you are doing a lot less work and get potentially hundreds of buyers a day, even after pokerstars fixes their glitches. Any comments?

[Smasharoo]

just a thought but what if the software acted like a virus and sooner or later it would be plugged by pokerstars. why else would they blow off the caller. i think by selling that software you are doing a lot less work and get potentially hundreds of buyers a day, even after pokerstars fixes their glitches. Any comments?Well, there's a couple of things here.1. If it worked, some idiot buying it would play absolutely perfectly every hand for 10000 hands and would be falgged in the hand history DB and they'd realize there was a problem very shortly.2. Just about everyone who loses a chunk of money playing online assumes it has something to do with the software and not the fact that they play badly or over their bankroll or while drunk, or whatever. They probably get 900 of these calls a day.3. You could sell it for $50,000 to 20 people in the back room of a bar if it worked. Advertising it online would make you less money, and likely have legal action persued against you almost immediately.

[tekn0wledg]

Smasharoo said:

http://itmanagement..../11070_616221_3I think you might be thinking of that.

No, that was a different issue all together and that one was widely publicized, particularly on RGP. Wasn't it Paradise Poker?

[Spidurman]

tekn0wledg said:

Smasharoo said:

http://itmanagement..../11070_616221_3I think you might be thinking of that.

No, that was a different issue all together and that one was widely publicized, particularly on RGP. Wasn't it Paradise Poker?

Planet Poker

[JeremyG]

This must be the infamous "scanner" that all the fake-money people like to talk about...Seriously, I play fake money on a site for a day or so, just to get the feel of the software/interface. When I did it on PP, I must have had a dozen people say, "hey how'd you know what I had? You must have a SCANNER!".At first I had no idea but after a while I just answered, "yeah I spent the last 5 years, 80 hours a week with 100 other friends developing a software that tells me what everyone else has, so I can come on PP and play on the fake money tables!"

[Smasharoo]

No one's mentioned bots yet.Let me put my tin foil hat on for a minute and bring up the subject of winholdem.

[Meotch08]

another way of looking at it is, not only the fact that people wouldnt sell it if they had a program like this but also, if it worked and they DID sell (for whatever reason) do you really think partypoker would still be in business?Party poker works just like a bank i bet. When you deposit money its not actaully just sitting there in your account. its more like you are lending money to party poker. I bet you they have people working behind the scenes using your money to make investments etc. and that is how they make most of there money. It would be way to risky for them to have a program out that could possibly be cheated because if they did get robed there would be a lot of lawsuits and they wouldnt have the money to pay everyone.

[cmstaab]

Meotch08 said:

another way of looking at it is, not only the fact that people wouldnt sell it if they had a program like this but also, if it worked and they DID sell (for whatever reason) do you really think partypoker would still be in business?Party poker works just like a bank i bet. When you deposit money its not actaully just sitting there in your account. its more like you are lending money to party poker. I bet you they have people working behind the scenes using your money to make investments etc. and that is how they make most of there money. It would be way to risky for them to have a program out that could possibly be cheated because if they did get robed there would be a lot of lawsuits and they wouldnt have the money to pay everyone.

No lawsuits, Party Poker is not stationed in the U.S. and is not binded by U.S. law. If they suddenly decided to take all the money out of every account on their site and run, there is nothing the account holders could do.