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#1 DiamondDixie

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 06:46 PM

Also any other thoughts on my play here. CO was 44/11 over 64 hands, UTG+2 was 38/10 and bb was 13/0 all over same number of hands. No other reads really. This is a full stack table. Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1220652DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History ConverterBB: $19.55UTG: $28.75UTG+1: $23.40UTG+2: $81.35Hero (MP1): $45.75MP2: $62.30CO: $73.25BTN: $19.25SB: $50.00Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP1 with T :club: 9 :ts2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 1 fold, CO calls $1.50, 2 folds, BB calls $1Flop: ($6.25) J :4h J :qh Q :5c (4 players)BB checks, UTG+2 bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, CO raises to $6, BB folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $3.50Turn: ($20.75) K :3h (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $7.50, Hero raises to $24.85, CO calls $17.35River: ($70.45) A :jh (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $13.50, Hero calls $13.40 all in

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 06:55 PM

I'd prob just stick it in on the turn based on the stack sizesI'm not sure on the flop play
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Posted 08 March 2011 - 12:40 AM

View PostKingJames, on Monday, March 7th, 2011, 6:55 PM, said:

I'd prob just stick it in on the turn based on the stack sizesI'm not sure on the flop play
Tbh I think he played it sweet, although im also probably shoving the turn.Although we've flopped a big draw, I dont like a raise here mostly cause there's to many hands in the pot. If it's two or three handed I'd opt for a raise here cause you have a much bigger fold equity. Because there's two players to act behind I'd really rather leave myself room to call re-raise against a jack or queen and then get paid of when i make my draw on the turn. I really dont want to be getting it all in here on the flop on that board against a jack and four handed that is very likely to happen.

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 08:30 AM

I haven't played FR online in forever, but I think (or without thinking) I would just insta raise raise raise the flop.As played on the turn, def as james said, bet enough to get all-in so we dont have a weird stack to pot issue on the river.**I also think that after the passivitiy shown on the flop, some merit can be givin to check call turn AND check call river (unless we StraightFlush). not sure why but I like it.

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 08:33 AM

View PostSick Boy, on Tuesday, March 8th, 2011, 3:40 AM, said:

Tbh I think he played it sweet, although im also probably shoving the turn.
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Posted 08 March 2011 - 11:31 AM

View Postmeservery, on Tuesday, March 8th, 2011, 11:33 AM, said:

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LOL yeah she. Thanks, there is a good argument for raising the flop and I totally agree with stack sizes I should have just shoved the turn. As played even though a lot of cards on that board could give the opponent a full house he could have had any number of jacks with his stats so I just didn't see a fold here with all that was in the pot already.

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 01:41 PM

Maybe this isn't my week.... This one was way worse than the one above. No whine just sick, sick, sick :-)If you see anyway I could played this differently please let me know. Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1221447DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History ConverterBTN: $30.00Hero (SB): $76.95BB: $57.70UTG: $55.20MP: $50.00CO: $51.90Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 8 :qh 9 :jh2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.25, BB calls $1Flop: ($4.50) 6 :4h 7 :club: T :ts (3 players)Hero checks, BB bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50, Hero raises to $5.90, BB raises to $20.50, CO folds, Hero raises to $75.45 all in, BB calls $35.70 all inTurn: ($118.40) 5 :D (2 players - 2 are all in)River: ($118.40) 7 :D (2 players - 2 are all in)Final Pot: $118.40Hero shows 8 :D 9 :D (a straight, Six to Ten)BB shows 7 :5c T :3h (a full house, Sevens full of Tens)BB wins $115.40(Rake: $3.00)

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 03:16 PM

View PostDiamondDixie, on Tuesday, March 8th, 2011, 4:41 PM, said:

If you see anyway I could played this differently please let me know.
Other than get it in on the flop as a little more than a 3:1 favorite? No.Although I will say, PF I would play differently. I'm either folding or 3betting there. I rarely call a raise out of the SB, unless I have a good read that the BB is a fish and is always calling behind.Too much of a risk otherwise of either getting squeezed and having to fold, or playing a marginal hand oop with no initiative.

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 03:21 PM

View PostDiamondDixie, on Tuesday, March 8th, 2011, 12:46 PM, said:

Also any other thoughts on my play here. CO was 44/11 over 64 hands, UTG+2 was 38/10 and bb was 13/0 all over same number of hands. No other reads really. This is a full stack table. Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1220652DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History ConverterBB: $19.55UTG: $28.75UTG+1: $23.40UTG+2: $81.35Hero (MP1): $45.75MP2: $62.30CO: $73.25BTN: $19.25SB: $50.00Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP1 with T :club: 9 :ts2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 1 fold, CO calls $1.50, 2 folds, BB calls $1Flop: ($6.25) J :4h J :D Q :5c (4 players)BB checks, UTG+2 bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, CO raises to $6, BB folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $3.50Turn: ($20.75) K :3h (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $7.50, Hero raises to $24.85, CO calls $17.35River: ($70.45) A :club: (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $13.50, Hero calls $13.40 all in
I would raise the UTG+2's cbet, it is very weak and you have a powerful draw. After CO raises, you are in an awkward spot since they might be raising just to put you out since a stong hand wouldn't just call that flop bet size. However if they do have a strong hand then you might have only 2 outs.

View PostDiamondDixie, on Wednesday, March 9th, 2011, 7:41 AM, said:

Maybe this isn't my week.... This one was way worse than the one above. No whine just sick, sick, sick :-)If you see anyway I could played this differently please let me know. Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1221447DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History ConverterBTN: $30.00Hero (SB): $76.95BB: $57.70UTG: $55.20MP: $50.00CO: $51.90Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 8 :ts 9 :4h2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.25, BB calls $1Flop: ($4.50) 6 :D 7 :qh T :jh (3 players)Hero checks, BB bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50, Hero raises to $5.90, BB raises to $20.50, CO folds, Hero raises to $75.45 all in, BB calls $35.70 all inTurn: ($118.40) 5 :5c (2 players - 2 are all in)River: ($118.40) 7 :3h (2 players - 2 are all in)Final Pot: $118.40Hero shows 8 :qh 9 :jh (a straight, Six to Ten)BB shows 7 :D T :D (a full house, Sevens full of Tens)BB wins $115.40(Rake: $3.00)
play different ? You got all the money in as favourite. Please don't be results orientated.

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 04:54 PM

I guess that did sound like I was being results oriented but I wasn't really. I was mostly referring to pre-flop about playing the hand vs folding or 3 betting. No way I wasn't getting it all in here. I just got unlucky on the river. I've just started playing cash again after a long time playing mostly sngs and mttts and I've only played about 35K hands overall (around 10K since starting back to play) so I'm pretty rusty and need help. I ran pretty well for a while and I'm currently at 9,440 hands of 50NL part FR and part 6 max with $339.30 profit and 3.59BB/100 over 14 days. As to be expected the last few days have been rough. I know I have numerous leaks and I'm trying to get those ironed out. I have some other hands I have questions about so I'll post here. I appreciate any help I can get.

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 08:28 PM

89s is a fold/3-bet pf unless BB really drools and isn't a threat to 3-betin the first hand, CO's bet-sizing is scary

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 02:47 AM

DD, several thoughts...Top up. In the OP, I notice that you're sitting with $46. Unless you're specifically employing a short-stack strat, keep 100bb on the table.I think T9s is actually going to be a fold here pre. I think we're in too early of a position to be playing this very profitably. That said, if we are going to play it, I do like that we're playing it against loose opponents. However, the reason we're playing this hand is that we can get aggressive when we get a good board texture. This is that excellent board texture. Raise it up against the PFR and then puke a little if the CO cold 3-bets it. As played, definitely CRAI the turn.Also, I agree with my colleagues that flatting 98s from the SB is generally a bad idea.
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Posted 22 March 2011 - 07:54 AM

View PostCobaltBlue, on Tuesday, March 22nd, 2011, 3:47 AM, said:

DD, several thoughts...Top up. In the OP, I notice that you're sitting with $46. Unless you're specifically employing a short-stack strat, keep 100bb on the table.I think T9s is actually going to be a fold here pre. I think we're in too early of a position to be playing this very profitably. That said, if we are going to play it, I do like that we're playing it against loose opponents. However, the reason we're playing this hand is that we can get aggressive when we get a good board texture. This is that excellent board texture. Raise it up against the PFR and then puke a little if the CO cold 3-bets it. As played, definitely CRAI the turn.Also, I agree with my colleagues that flatting 98s from the SB is generally a bad idea.
I like this line.after looking over the hand, I think we're beat here often. mostly to J,Q J,K type holding, but because of the loose wide range, it possible he shows up with a lot of J,x hands, and even draws




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