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#1 Swift_Psycho

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 06:51 PM

$4/$8 LHE live: Table is somewhat passive, with players often refusing to raise most hands pre-flop.I'm dealt :4h :3h in SB.Four limpers to me, I raise, BB folds, four limpers call.FLOP: :5c :ts :club: I check...Check/fold is just standard here right? With 4 opponents and two overcards, I don't bother putting another dollar in the pot, do I? Also what if there was only one overcard? Should I play it differently in that case?

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 07:06 PM

View PostSwift_Psycho, on Sunday, March 6th, 2011, 9:51 PM, said:

$4/$8 LHE live: Table is somewhat passive, with players often refusing to raise most hands pre-flop.I'm dealt :4h :3h in SB.Four limpers to me, I raise, BB folds, four limpers call.FLOP: :5c :ts :club: I check...Check/fold is just standard here right? With 4 opponents and two overcards, I don't bother putting another dollar in the pot, do I? Also what if there was only one overcard? Should I play it differently in that case?
I think c/f is the only play here, yeah. I like the follow-up question; That's definitely the way you should think about situations. I think that it obviously depends on the over, but with only one, I'm probably betting and then deciding on any flop but like a monotone board of a suit we don't have.

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 07:13 PM

View PostDinkDonk, on Sunday, March 6th, 2011, 10:06 PM, said:

I think c/f is the only play here, yeah. I like the follow-up question; That's definitely the way you should think about situations. I think that it obviously depends on the over, but with only one, I'm probably betting and then deciding on any flop but like a monotone board of a suit we don't have.
So in the hypothetical situation with only one overcard on the board (let's say it's either an Ace or Queen, if your answer changes then give both) and I bet and get raised on the flop...do I peel or just muck on the flop?

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 09:18 PM

View PostSwift_Psycho, on Sunday, March 6th, 2011, 10:13 PM, said:

So in the hypothetical situation with only one overcard on the board (let's say it's either an Ace or Queen, if your answer changes then give both) and I bet and get raised on the flop...do I peel or just muck on the flop?
It depends on the player and overcard, but in general I'm much more likely to peel on a K or Q than an A, because it's just much more likely that we have the best hand, considering the passivity of our average oppponents. It also depends on specific opponent. Obviously we call down vs. opponents who bluff or semi-bluff very often, but vs. guys who raise only with a narrow value range we can certainly just fold the flop. With one overcard, we're definitely get into the vague "play poker" realm and have to consider the situation rather carefully. With two overcards in this spots, I think it's a very simple check-fold. It's just important to have a feel for as much information in the situation as possible and make good decisions from there.

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 10:46 PM

In this spot I'm betting the Q always, almost never the A. Both is c/f.You have two jacks so you cut down the QJ combo severely. QA in theory should raise (I know it's limit so bleh..) but still you'll see q combos so much less on a lone over board than you will a9off or whatever junk chase the ace players are calling with.
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Posted 07 March 2011 - 01:00 PM

View Postpokerinc, on Monday, March 7th, 2011, 1:46 AM, said:

In this spot I'm betting the Q always, almost never the A. Both is c/f.You have two jacks so you cut down the QJ combo severely. QA in theory should raise (I know it's limit so bleh..) but still you'll see q combos so much less on a lone over board than you will a9off or whatever junk chase the ace players are calling with.
So if an Ace is the only overcard on the flop, are you (in most situations like this one) just check/folding outright as well or do you peel one time? I'm leaning towards the former personally I think.

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Posted 27 August 2011 - 05:26 AM

don't fold, very unlikely she has anything




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