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#3961 brvheart

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 05:43 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on 03 November 2017 - 02:41 PM, said:

Jesus Jumping Jimmeny she got millions more votes than Bernie did. She would have won if the Super Delegates didn't exist. Bernie in fact did the best in the causus States and caucuses are the least democratic form of election.

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Did you even read my post that you quoted? There is a very simple explanation as to why she ended up with slightly more votes.

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 06:12 PM

View Postbrvheart, on 05 November 2017 - 05:43 PM, said:

Did you even read my post that you quoted? There is a very simple explanation as to why she ended up with slightly more votes.

Except it wasn't really close at all so your point isn't correct.

Was The Democratic Primary A Close Call Or A Landslide?

There’s no agreed-upon standard for determining whether a nomination campaign was close or lopsided. Delegates might seem like the logical starting point; Clinton beat Sanders by 359 pledged delegates, and 884 delegates overall (counting superdelegates). But delegates don’t make for easy historical comparisons because the rules for delegate allocation change from party to party and election to election. As FiveThirtyEight contributor Daniel Nichanian pointed out, Clinton would have had a gargantuan win in pledged delegates — perhaps in excess of 1,000 delegates more than Sanders — if the Democratic nomination had been contested under Republican primary rules, which are winner take all or winner take most in many states. There’s also that sticky question of how to count superdelegates.

An alternative is to look at the aggregate popular vote, which makes for easier comparisons to past elections. According to The Green Papers, Clinton won 16.8 million votes to 13.2 million for Sanders, or about 55 percent of the vote to his 43 percent, a 12 percentage point gap.1

If Clinton had won by that sort of margin in a general election, we’d call it a landslide; her margin over Sanders was similar to Dwight D. Eisenhower’s over Adlai Stevenson in 1952, for example, when Eisenhower won the Electoral College 442-89. By the standard of a primary, however, Clinton’s performance was more pedestrian. The 55 percent of the popular vote she received is somewhat above average, in comparison to other open nomination races2 since 1972.

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 06:52 PM

While I agree with the assessment I think the Dems did themselves a disservice the way they setup their primaries.

While it's true that in the Presidential election Hillary did better than Obama ever did in many red states she didn't win them so why are those states having their primaries so early.

And iirc in primaries that were open to both registered dems and un-registered voters Sanders often would win.

I think if remove a lot of the "Sanders is a crazy Socialist" and "I want to vote for the winner" mentality I think it would have been much closer.
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Posted 05 November 2017 - 08:16 PM

Lot going on in SA these days

10 princes, multiple cabinet members arrested.

Of course they cleared the Ritz and rumored to be housing them there....

Then a helicopter accident kills a prince and a bunch more government officials.


All within days of Yemen incident.

Looks like some stuff is about to go down in Arablandistan.

Watch to see how Iran is part of it all.
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Posted 05 November 2017 - 08:22 PM

Oh and another democrat leftist attacked a republican senator.

The violence from the left is growing worse everyday. I guess a constant dose of hatred and anger isn't good for the mental health of a democrat.
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Posted 06 November 2017 - 03:22 AM

imagine if the roles were reversed in Rand Paul story....the left would losing what remains of their collective minds.

Any info yet on the shooting outside of San Antonio?
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Posted 06 November 2017 - 04:06 AM

View PostBalloon guy, on 05 November 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

Oh and another democrat leftist attacked a republican senator.

The violence from the left is growing worse everyday. I guess a constant dose of hatred and anger isn't good for the mental health of a democrat.

so how does a neighbour beating the shit out of Paul somehow get to be a leftist. We only know that the guy is middle aged White Doctor who lives in the same gated community as Paul. An attack like that sure seems a lot more personal than political.
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Posted 06 November 2017 - 04:09 AM

View Postscuudagouch, on 06 November 2017 - 03:22 AM, said:

Any info yet on the shooting outside of San Antonio?

White male with an Ruger AR-556 semi auto rifle so please don't politicize it.

He was discharged from the military for assualting his wife and child and served 12 months in military detention but that of course didn't stop him from being able to buy a rifle capable of this carnage.
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Posted 06 November 2017 - 05:12 AM

sounds about right in line with reasonable based on the area...but of course, to nobodies surprise, you toss the gun comment in while acting like you want to take the high road and not make it political... we wonder why we can' get along.
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Posted 06 November 2017 - 05:15 AM

View Postscuudagouch, on 06 November 2017 - 05:12 AM, said:

sounds about right in line with reasonable based on the area...but of course, to nobodies surprise, you toss the gun comment in while acting like you want to take the high road and not make it political... we wonder why we can' get along.

umm, it should be politicized is the point. The NRA and gun loons always say too soon but it's never too soon.
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Posted 06 November 2017 - 05:39 AM

hmmm so your request of "White male with an Ruger AR-556 semi auto rifle so please don't politicize it." was just what?
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Posted 06 November 2017 - 06:58 AM

View Postscuudagouch, on 06 November 2017 - 05:39 AM, said:

hmmm so your request of "White male with an Ruger AR-556 semi auto rifle so please don't politicize it." was just what?

and you wonder why nobody here takes you seriously...

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 07:25 AM

View PostFCP Bob, on 06 November 2017 - 04:09 AM, said:

White male with an Ruger AR-556 semi auto rifle so please don't politicize it.

He was discharged from the military for assualting his wife and child and served 12 months in military detention but that of course didn't stop him from being able to buy a rifle capable of this carnage.

Actually both dishonorable discharge AND domestic violence charge make it illegal for him to own a gun.

But he does fit the normal mass shooter profile of being an atheist
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Posted 06 November 2017 - 07:26 AM

View PostFCP Bob, on 06 November 2017 - 05:15 AM, said:

umm, it should be politicized is the point. The NRA and gun loons always say too soon but it's never too soon.

He wasn't a member of the NRA.

In fact no mass shooter ever has been a member of the NRA

But they often are members of the democrat party
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Posted 06 November 2017 - 12:36 PM

View PostFCP Bob, on 05 November 2017 - 06:12 PM, said:

Except it wasn't really close at all so your point isn't correct.

Was The Democratic Primary A Close Call Or A Landslide?

There’s no agreed-upon standard for determining whether a nomination campaign was close or lopsided. Delegates might seem like the logical starting point; Clinton beat Sanders by 359 pledged delegates, and 884 delegates overall (counting superdelegates). But delegates don’t make for easy historical comparisons because the rules for delegate allocation change from party to party and election to election. As FiveThirtyEight contributor Daniel Nichanian pointed out, Clinton would have had a gargantuan win in pledged delegates — perhaps in excess of 1,000 delegates more than Sanders — if the Democratic nomination had been contested under Republican primary rules, which are winner take all or winner take most in many states. There’s also that sticky question of how to count superdelegates.

An alternative is to look at the aggregate popular vote, which makes for easier comparisons to past elections. According to The Green Papers, Clinton won 16.8 million votes to 13.2 million for Sanders, or about 55 percent of the vote to his 43 percent, a 12 percentage point gap.1

If Clinton had won by that sort of margin in a general election, we’d call it a landslide; her margin over Sanders was similar to Dwight D. Eisenhower’s over Adlai Stevenson in 1952, for example, when Eisenhower won the Electoral College 442-89. By the standard of a primary, however, Clinton’s performance was more pedestrian. The 55 percent of the popular vote she received is somewhat above average, in comparison to other open nomination races2 since 1972.

None of this is even close to discussing my original point, which is the possibility of people seeing the writing on the wall in January and not voting. I specifically discussed this with a Bernie friend of mine that was confident that they could get the votes. There were many Bernie voters that understood immediately that she was stealing it, and their votes wouldn't count. How many is simply speculation, which you can't dismiss with random links to who knows what. Because that has nothing to do with voter disenfranchisement, which is something liberals LOVE to talk about in regards to race, but apparently doesn't exist in regards to Hillary or in any situation not involving conservatives.

I guess voter disenfranchisement will just have to go on the long long list of hypocritical liberal talking points that never apply to anyone but conservatives.

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napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 12:38 PM

View Postscuudagouch, on 06 November 2017 - 03:22 AM, said:

imagine if the roles were reversed in Rand Paul story....the left would losing what remains of their collective minds.

Any info yet on the shooting outside of San Antonio?

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View PostiZuma, on 20 August 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

View PostEssay21, on 25 February 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 12:41 PM

View Postscuudagouch, on 06 November 2017 - 05:12 AM, said:

sounds about right in line with reasonable based on the area...but of course, to nobodies surprise, you toss the gun comment in while acting like you want to take the high road and not make it political... we wonder why we can' get along.

This is an excellent summary of the left. From the use of carbon, down to forum discussions.



View PostFCP Bob, on 06 November 2017 - 04:09 AM, said:

so please don't politicize it.

View PostFCP Bob, on 06 November 2017 - 05:15 AM, said:

umm, it should be politicized is the point.

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View PostiZuma, on 20 August 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 12:42 PM

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View PostiZuma, on 20 August 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 03:21 PM

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 03:21 PM

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