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[Skeleton Jelly]

Balloon guy

[Balloon guy]

Skeleton Jelly, on Wednesday, February 16th, 2011, 11:23 AM, said:

Balloon guy

There are exactly two things that make it unconstitutional for a person to be ineligible to be president.Both of these are answered by their birth certificate.I wonder how long before someone would require Arnold Schwarzenegger to show a birth certificate if he ran for the republican ticket?

[El Guapo]

Balloon guy, on Wednesday, February 16th, 2011, 11:32 AM, said:

I wonder how long before someone would require Arnold Schwarzenegger to show a birth certificate if he ran for the republican ticket?

Until they pass the 61st Amendment.

[timwakefield]

Balloon guy, on Wednesday, February 16th, 2011, 2:32 PM, said:

There are exactly two things that make it unconstitutional for a person to be ineligible to be president.Both of these are answered by their birth certificate.

There is actually a third requirement that is not answered on a birth certificate: the person has to have lived in the United States for at least 14 years. It has never been an issue and probably won't be in the near future, but I'm just being nitpicky.

[Dagata]

Not nitpicky if BG tries to pull that "Exactly" bullshit

[nutzbuster]

This is just incredible...http://news.yahoo.co...er-legal-glitch

[FCP Bob]

nutzbuster, on Thursday, February 17th, 2011, 3:05 AM, said:

This is just incredible...http://news.yahoo.co...er-legal-glitch

I think they're just pissed that they couldn't kill somebody so now they'll do whatever they can to screw with him. It is Texas after all where they do love to fry them.

[vbnautilus]

Balloon guy, on Friday, February 4th, 2011, 8:35 AM, said:

While we are going overboard removing all traces of Christianity from our public life,

who exactly is going overboard with that? they still have kids in school to stand up and pledge their allegiance to Yahweh.

[loogie]

Balloon guy, on Wednesday, February 16th, 2011, 2:32 PM, said:

There are exactly two things that make it unconstitutional for a person to be ineligible to be president.Both of these are answered by their birth certificate.

[Balloon guy]

Dagata, on Thursday, February 17th, 2011, 12:00 AM, said:

Not nitpicky if BG tries to pull that "Exactly" bullshit

True true

[Balloon guy]

vbnautilus, on Thursday, February 17th, 2011, 3:49 PM, said:

who exactly is going overboard with that? they still have kids in school to stand up and pledge their allegiance to Yahweh.

Them.

[Pot Odds RAC]

Architect to remove ‘crosses’ from Toledo elementary schoolhttp://religion.blog...mentary-school/

[vbnautilus]

Whatever those things are, removing them will be an improvement.

[CaneBrain]

http://www.cnn.com/2...dex.html?hpt=C1you don't say....

[Balloon guy]

CaneBrain, on Sunday, February 20th, 2011, 10:59 AM, said:

http://www.cnn.com/2...dex.html?hpt=C1you don't say....

I don't think this story means what you think it means...Here is the key sentence to help you understand it:However, intelligence reports -- now shown to have been false -- that Iraq possessed WMDs were the main reason for going in, Rumsfeld said.

[timwakefield]

It was widely known at the time that the intelligence reports were unverified.

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White House 'warned over Iraq claim'The CIA warned the US Government that claims about Iraq's nuclear ambitions were not true months before President Bush used them to make his case for war, the BBC has learned.Doubts about a claim that Iraq had tried to buy uranium from the African state of Niger were aired 10 months before Mr Bush included the allegation in his key State of the Union address this year, a CIA official has told the BBC.

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But a former US diplomat, Ambassador Joseph Wilson, went on the record at the weekend to say that he had travelled to Africa to investigate the uranium claims and found no evidence to support them.Now the CIA official has told the BBC that Mr Wilson's findings had been passed onto the White House as early as March 2002.That means that the administration would have known nearly a year before the State of the Union address that the information was likely false.

http://newsvote.bbc....cas/3056626.stmThe Bush administration's response? Illegally leaking the secret undercover identity of one of their own active CIA field agents (Valerie Plame) because her husband wrote the NYT story critical of the data about Nigerian uranium cake. That actually happened. Joe Wilson is her husband.I'm not sure which would be worse - going to war on a lie or going to war because of stupidity, but in this case stupidity is not an excuse (odd that you think it would be an acceptable excuse though, BG). They went to war on a lie.

[Zealous Donkey]

timwakefield, on Sunday, February 20th, 2011, 6:39 PM, said:

It was widely known at the time that the intelligence reports were unverified.http://newsvote.bbc....cas/3056626.stmThe Bush administration's response? Illegally leaking the secret undercover identity of one of their own active CIA field agents (Valerie Plame) because her husband wrote the NYT story critical of the data about Nigerian uranium cake. That actually happened. Joe Wilson is her husband.I'm not sure which would be worse - going to war on a lie or going to war because of stupidity, but in this case stupidity is not an excuse (odd that you think it would be an acceptable excuse though, BG). They went to war on a lie.

Absolutely 100% false, even the Washington Post has debunked all the Valarie Plame, Joe Wilson bullshit. The person who leaked Plame was against going into Iraq anyway. Seriously the facts do not support any of this, you are repeating anti-bush propaganda that has been proven false by multiple sources.

[timwakefield]

Zealous Donkey, on Sunday, February 20th, 2011, 9:43 PM, said:

Absolutely 100% false, even the Washington Post has debunked all the Valarie Plame, Joe Wilson bullshit. The person who leaked Plame was against going into Iraq anyway. Seriously the facts do not support any of this, you are repeating anti-bush propaganda that has been proven false by multiple sources.

But you'll admit that they knew the intelligence was false, right? Are you accusing the BBC of being wrong about the important part, or just me about Valerie Plame? The fact that she was outted is a sidenote to the main issue, which is the faulty intelligence and the Iraq war.

[timwakefield]

Also this, but like I said it's incidental to the heart of the matter. If you want to post your multiple sources that prove me wrong, feel free to do that though. P.S. Scooter Libby, advisor to both the President and Vice-President, was indicted, convicted, and disbarred for his role in the scandal. Prove me wrong.

[Zealous Donkey]

timwakefield, on Sunday, February 20th, 2011, 11:53 PM, said:

But you'll admit that they knew the intelligence was false, right? Are you accusing the BBC of being wrong about the important part, or just me about Valerie Plame? The fact that she was outted is a sidenote to the main issue, which is the faulty intelligence and the Iraq war.

Intelligence about WMD's was obviously wrong!, but Everyone believed them to be true at the time. The Valarie Plame part is pure fiction. But last I heard the Brits still stand by their report that Iraq was indeed trying to buy Uranium. To answer your question, I am saying the whole Joe Wilson, Valarie Plame part is fantasy. Hell, you have won me over along time ago as far as Iraq being a mistake. You can even blame Bush, but you can't say he went in under false pretenses, because he didn't, their was a long list of reasons for going into Iraq, and wide spread belief that he had WMDs. What the US did in Iraq was overall a very good thing. They toppled and evil dictator that had aided in terrorism, and treated his own people horribly for a long period of time. But the Iraqi people haven't proven worthy. Should this have been studied in greater detail before expending so much blood and treasure? absolutely, I agree with you on that part.

timwakefield, on Sunday, February 20th, 2011, 11:58 PM, said:

Also this, but like I said it's incidental to the heart of the matter. If you want to post your multiple sources that prove me wrong, feel free to do that though. P.S. Scooter Libby, advisor to both the President and Vice-President, was indicted, convicted, and disbarred for his role in the scandal. Prove me wrong.

Scooter Libby testified about something he learned from Tim Russert. Tim Russert denied that he passed on such information. The judge would not allow the defense to present evidence that Russert's was wrong.http://www.slate.com/id/2148555/http://www.slate.com/id/2146475/http://www.washingto...6071201519.htmlhttp://www.slate.com/id/2139609/http://www.slate.com/id/2140058/http://www.slate.com/id/2103795/http://www.washingto...4-2004Jul9.htmlhttp://www.weeklysta...12/648ygtoe.asp