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[outsider13]

Another thing to consider here as well is the likelyhood on the BB to come along into the pot. This would increase your equity. If you know the guy is on tilt and is 100% getting his chips in, this actually makes it a call based on ICM and putting bigstack at 40% range.Def an interesting hand. So many things can affect the numbers.

[rrumsey]

snap fold i think we are flipping and given icm and the fact we still have somewhat a stack to work i would fold. its pretty marginal +chipev if he is shoving pretty wide. plus given his action i think he has hands like AJs,AQo, J's,9's8's, maybe AK off where he has some value but doesnt wanna bet call too much. without reads it is an easy fold thou imo. if i noted the guy as an absolute whale i could call this and feel pretty meh i hate this but still do it and cross my fingers for an underpair. on the other hand we dont gain a lot by ladder pre FT in these payout structures.

[HighwayStar]

a few things.1) This is massively +chip EV vs almost anyone. We are not flipping most of the time..we are reasonably ahead2) This is the FT...if it was pre FT the decision is not remotely close.3) Way more likely to call vs a regular than a fish. Not many fish will jam a big range...they're more likely to raise if they're maniacal...which is rare to start.

[wildspoke]

HighwayStar, on Wednesday, January 19th, 2011, 11:49 AM, said:

a few things.1) This is massively +chip EV vs almost anyone. We are not flipping most of the time..we are reasonably ahead2) This is the FT...if it was pre FT the decision is not remotely close.3) Way more likely to call vs a regular than a fish. Not many fish will jam a big range...they're more likely to raise if they're maniacal...which is rare to start.

Prior to this spot was villain pushing often? I agree with your third point. I think he's shoving any two.

[custom36]

HighwayStar, on Wednesday, January 19th, 2011, 12:49 PM, said:

a few things.1) This is massively +chip EV vs almost anyone. We are not flipping most of the time..we are reasonably ahead2) This is the FT...if it was pre FT the decision is not remotely close.3) Way more likely to call vs a regular than a fish. Not many fish will jam a big range...they're more likely to raise if they're maniacal...which is rare to start.

But if we lose we get no money. If we win, we're still not knocking him out. This is a moment I wish I knew ICM.The more I think about it, the more I call. But I really don't like it.

[HighwayStar]

Get $158 if we lose here...

[HighwayStar]

wildspoke, on Wednesday, January 19th, 2011, 8:41 PM, said:

Prior to this spot was villain pushing often? I agree with your third point. I think he's shoving any two.

I can't recall exactly...it's likely though.

[custom36]

HighwayStar, on Thursday, January 20th, 2011, 12:31 AM, said:

Get $158 if we lose here...

Right. I'm an idiot.

[TrueAce13]

but again....WE HAVE TENS!!!!

[any2canlose]

HighwayStar, on Friday, January 14th, 2011, 12:49 PM, said:

Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($11+$1) t3000/t6000 ante t600 - 4 playersButton: t137,601 SB: t83,429 (Hero)BB: t14,184 UTG: t34,786 Preflop: (t11,400) Hero is SB with (4 players)UTG folds, Button raises to t137001 and is all-in, Hero?BTN is a decent reg. As is UTG if that makes any difference to future.Payouts = 594/396/236/158

why would a decent reg push here?

[TrueAce13]

b/c he is effectively jamming like 15bbs?

[any2canlose]

TrueAce13, on Wednesday, February 9th, 2011, 4:13 PM, said:

b/c he is effectively jamming like 15bbs?

Against hero he's jamming around that...but its the BB who is more imporant here. If he has anything but a monster his best $EV play by far is to put BB all in, inviting you into the hand for a cooperation play if you have anything but a monster or garbage. He's got position on you and risking half his stack on a push with a medium strength hand is awful. He's never picking up both your money and the BB's money any other way than putting BB all in and playing poker against you.If hes at all decent then his shove screams monster to me.

[babylondonks]

cooperation plays itt

[any2canlose]

babylondonks, on Wednesday, February 9th, 2011, 7:33 PM, said:

cooperation plays itt

what is itt?

[babylondonks]

in this threadpeople can't say I'm never helpful

[meservery]

babylondonks, on Thursday, February 10th, 2011, 7:33 AM, said:

in this threadpeople can't say I'm never helpful

how about "wug"?

[MaxStPolish]

meservery, on Saturday, February 12th, 2011, 5:05 AM, said:

how about "wug"?

wug was a toughy. I think that was the acronym that officially made me realize I have a part of computer forum board nerd hidden in me that was starting to come out.

[Tehtoe]

wug

[babylondonks]

yik tho