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#1 CobaltBlue

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 12:59 AM

Our image is LAG. Villain is a relatively TAG winning regular with stats of 20/14/3.5 over a decent sample.Posted Imageonce a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.HEM/Bodog NL Hold'em $2.00/$3.00 - 5 playersCO: $300.70 Button: $847.03 (Hero)SB: $722.00BB: $147.85 UTG: $448.12 Preflop: ($5.00) Hero is Button with :4h :qh (5 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $9.00, SB calls $7.00, BB calls $6.00Flop: ($27.00) :5c :club: :3h (3 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $18.00, SB calls $18.00, BB foldsTurn: ($63.00) :jh (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $54.00, SB calls $54.00River: ($171.00) :ts (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $142.00, SB raises to $641.00, Hero ?
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 02:14 AM

View PostCobaltBlue, on Thursday, January 6th, 2011, 12:59 AM, said:

Our image is LAG. Villain is a relatively TAG winning regular with stats of 20/14/3.5 over a decent sample.Posted Imageonce a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.HEM/Bodog NL Hold'em $2.00/$3.00 - 5 playersCO: $300.70 Button: $847.03 (Hero)SB: $722.00BB: $147.85 UTG: $448.12 Preflop: ($5.00) Hero is Button with :4h :qh (5 players)2 folds , Hero raises to $9.00, SB calls $7.00, BB calls $6.00Flop: ($27.00) :5c :club: :3h (3 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $18.00, SB calls $18.00, BB folds Turn: ($63.00) :jh (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $54.00, SB calls $54.00River: ($171.00) :ts (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $142.00, SB raises to $641.00, Hero ?
This is truly bizarre, I dont see how any Kx that has us beat sees a flop, nor do I see how any PP that has us beat sees any street past the flop. If he really did call 18 on the flop with 66 id be very interested to know what his plan is for the turn if he doesnt get there... just... gah... Alternatively, what hands are he turning into bluffs here, and for the purpose of what, can this ever be two jacks trying to move you off a king?Could this be a level? like for instance, for lots fishy players passive lines that end in big river shoves, are the nuts like always.... could he know this and be trying to expliot it... is he a competent reg?I would probably call and lose my money, just because this doesn't make any sense to me.No.. its gotta be... your bull.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 02:39 AM

View PostCobaltBlue, on Thursday, January 6th, 2011, 12:59 AM, said:

Our image is LAG. Villain is a relatively TAG winning regular with stats of 20/14/3.5 over a decent sample.Posted Imageonce a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.HEM/Bodog NL Hold'em $2.00/$3.00 - 5 playersCO: $300.70 Button: $847.03 (Hero)SB: $722.00BB: $147.85 UTG: $448.12 Preflop: ($5.00) Hero is Button with :4h :qh (5 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $9.00, SB calls $7.00, BB calls $6.00Flop: ($27.00) :5c :club: :3h (3 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $18.00, SB calls $18.00, BB foldsTurn: ($63.00) :jh (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $54.00, SB calls $54.00River: ($171.00) :ts (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $142.00, SB raises to $641.00, Hero ?
How fast did he push on the river? Was there any delay? Hes only pushing with complete air, a high K or a better full house. The high K is least likely I think based on his line. I think Im calling because Im just so confused here. Good players and bad players alike would have trouble making this play. Just pay it off and curse your bad luck.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 02:41 AM

Duuuuude. This is a lot of money.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 02:50 AM

View PostNashtak, on Thursday, January 6th, 2011, 11:41 PM, said:

Duuuuude. This is a normal number of big blinds.
FYP. Its just chips.66 is the only hand that makes any sense at all that beats you. A winning tag just doesn't have k8/k6 here surely, and 88 aint calling 2 barrells oop.... surely.I just snap it off.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 03:40 AM

View PostSolar, on Thursday, January 6th, 2011, 5:50 AM, said:

66 is the only hand that makes any sense at all that beats you. A winning tag just doesn't have k8/k6 here surely, and 88 aint calling 2 barrells oop.... surely.
If Cobalt is really playing very LAG, cbetting a high frequency and double barrelling a lot, then I think c/c with 88 on a blank turn might be okay.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:17 AM

std wtf Cobalt handI can't fold.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:57 AM

View Posttrystero, on Thursday, January 6th, 2011, 6:17 AM, said:

std wtf Cobalt handI can't fold.
agree never folding. an im not one usually who is instantly in love with high absolute value hands, but it seems air makes way more sense then anything else.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 11:08 AM

View PostMills, on Thursday, January 6th, 2011, 5:14 AM, said:

is he a competent reg?
He is a generally competent reg, yes. Probably capable of some moves, but as I said, generally on the TAG side.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 11:17 AM

View Postdead money, on Thursday, January 6th, 2011, 5:39 AM, said:

How fast did he push on the river? Was there any delay?
It wasn't instant and it wasn't a long delay. Maybe a couple of seconds?
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 01:05 PM

im prolly timing out/folding.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 01:20 PM

View PostCobaltBlue, on Thursday, January 6th, 2011, 11:17 AM, said:

It wasn't instant and it wasn't a long delay. Maybe a couple of seconds?
It almost seems like villain got a little too tricky with 88 and lucked into it at the end and went for the gusto. He must have outsmarted himself. I still pay it off 100%. It would be very tough to predict that our opponent got in over his head with the hand, caught the gin river and went for the kill on the river.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 10:31 PM

I can see AK here sort've making it a value push bluff since the board is so dry. I'd would just kinda blank WTF stare at the screen until the timer beep went off and call.
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Posted 07 January 2011 - 04:42 AM

Hmm yeah I'm not folding.

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I don't mind folding out hands we beat.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 12:57 AM

Okay...so I was a little sneaky on this one...I was actually SB in this case. I played my KK pretty darn wonky due to stack sizes, an aggro villain with history, and a BB donk. I knew that my hand made little sense by the river. Just wanted to see if anyone could find a fold in villain's shoes.
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 02:22 AM

View PostCobaltBlue, on Saturday, January 8th, 2011, 6:57 PM, said:

Okay...so I was a little sneaky on this one...I was actually SB in this case. I played my KK pretty darn wonky due to stack sizes, an aggro villain with history, and a BB donk. I knew that my hand made little sense by the river. Just wanted to see if anyone could find a fold in villain's shoes.
Nope. I can't even find a fold being results orientated.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 05:48 AM

you had KK. wow, he runs awful.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 07:09 PM

View Posttrystero, on Saturday, January 8th, 2011, 6:48 AM, said:

you had KK. wow, he runs awful.
yah and i like the line. idk if you have DC but the author of "under new managment" i think it is spelled this way (newanami) talks about taking none standard lines sometimes to maximize potential value. its tricky bc it requires good reads, nice hand reading, and a bit of luck it doesnt bit us in the ass sometimes. clearly when we have quads it doesnt matter much but sometimes if we are not as strong and try a none standard move we can end up owning ourselves hard in a hand. i like the thinking thouand btw, extremely UL for villain :club: weee
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 10:16 PM

Yeah, I just don't see how villain can fold. He has to think you have AK and are value betting a QK/whatever. Which would more sense than KK.
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