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Started by Ninja Ace, Jan 04 2011 08:55 PM

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#1 Ninja Ace

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 08:55 PM

I will put a disclaimer that this spot may be way easier than I think it is... I think I made the right move but need some assuranceButton is a station and I want his money in, hence the flat.Villain is 20/18.5/5 over about 100 handsPosted ImageThis converter is going to be a cash cow...Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersUTG: $46.09 UTG+1: $13.00 CO: $43.82 (Hero)Button: $33.80 SB: $21.55 BB: $31.35 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with :4h :5c (6 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $1, Button calls $1, SB folds, BB raises to $2.75, Hero calls $1.75, Button calls $1.75Flop: ($8.35) :3h :ts :club: (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets $6, Button calls $6, BB raises to $28.60, and is all in Hero ?
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Posted 04 January 2011 - 09:06 PM

nit says foldgonna see a set a lotunless he's a huge drooler he's not c/r two ppl with like QJ :club:
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Posted 04 January 2011 - 09:08 PM

View PostKingJames, on Tuesday, January 4th, 2011, 9:06 PM, said:

unless he's a huge drooler
Yeah some aggression but haven't seen anything totally out of line
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"Mixing it up" doesn't magically rationalize anything you do. It's like you walk up to a pencil sharpener, pencil in hand, and think, "Everyone expects me to sharpen this pencil, but I'm going to mix it up." Then you whip out your cock and sharpen that instead and yell, "Ha ha, bitches, you never saw that coming!" Well, no, they didn't. But you still have a dull pencil and bleeding dick.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 09:11 PM

yeah, I think this is an easy fold but I am a nit...
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Posted 04 January 2011 - 09:36 PM

he's got JJ, sometimes weird AA

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 10:36 PM

gh. very well played. void of reads.
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Posted 05 January 2011 - 08:21 AM

Is flatting the small preflop 3bet the best idea? By doing so, we're certain the button will call also and now we're playing KK 3 handed not in position.Just a personal preference, I'd repop it again pre to somewhere around $7.50 and try to get the button out and calling if BB shoves. It might be tardy, but I'm not folding KK preflop for 110ish BB's.
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Posted 05 January 2011 - 08:32 AM

good point, repop

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 11:20 AM

View PostShark527, on Wednesday, January 5th, 2011, 8:21 AM, said:

Is flatting the small preflop 3bet the best idea? By doing so, we're certain the button will call also and now we're playing KK 3 handed not in position.Just a personal preference, I'd repop it again pre to somewhere around $7.50 and try to get the button out and calling if BB shoves. It might be tardy, but I'm not folding KK preflop for 110ish BB's.
he isnt 3 betting light imo. but if we pop the 4 bet he is getting it in flipping, chop, or better like everytime. by flatting i think his stack off range on the flop os wider then his stack off range preflop bc he can hi say his 10 of his a10 suited and get it in, the J of his AJ or KJ and get coolered more.
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Posted 05 January 2011 - 11:30 AM

View Postrrumsey, on Wednesday, January 5th, 2011, 2:20 PM, said:

he isnt 3 betting light imo. but if we pop the 4 bet he is getting it in flipping, chop, or better like everytime. by flatting i think his stack off range on the flop os wider then his stack off range preflop bc he can hi say his 10 of his a10 suited and get it in, the J of his AJ or KJ and get coolered more.
you know we have kings, right?

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 02:56 AM

For me 4-betting is largely based on image. If the table thinks I am a nit, or if I have folded to 3-bets a lot, I am calling. If I have 4-bet this guy already I am 4-betting. As it is I call. Part of the thinking is that if the BB does have some retarded draw or AJ, I want to win 2 BI's when the BTN idiot can't fold J8 getting "4:1".
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 10:20 PM

View Posttrystero, on Wednesday, January 5th, 2011, 12:30 PM, said:

you know we have kings, right?
yes. and we want value. his stack off range postflop is much bigger then preflop.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 10:43 PM

View Postrrumsey, on Thursday, January 6th, 2011, 10:20 PM, said:

yes. and we want value. his stack off range postflop is much bigger then preflop.
You might be right. I'm saying KK in position against a single opponent is more profitable than 3 handed OOP.I also think his stack off range is probably smaller with an additional hand seeing the flop.
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Posted 07 January 2011 - 04:04 AM

View Postrrumsey, on Thursday, January 6th, 2011, 5:20 AM, said:

he isnt 3 betting light imo. but if we pop the 4 bet he is getting it in flipping, chop, or better like everytime. by flatting i think his stack off range on the flop os wider then his stack off range preflop bc he can hi say his 10 of his a10 suited and get it in, the J of his AJ or KJ and get coolered more.
What sort of hands can KK be chopping with? Aside from the other KK. What sort of hands can KK be flipping against?

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 05:14 AM

yeah, chopping? I just don't think it's hit you that we have KK and not AK or QQI hope he ISN'T 3-betting light. I want to felt KK pf. It's not as if the only hand people 3-bet for value pf is AA.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 10:35 PM

View Posttrystero, on Tuesday, January 4th, 2011, 11:36 PM, said:

he's got JJ, sometimes weird AA
Why is he cramming top set here vs two players?
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 12:57 AM

View PostKingJames, on Wednesday, January 5th, 2011, 12:06 AM, said:

nit says foldgonna see a set a lotunless he's a huge drooler he's not c/r two ppl with like QJ :club:
Repop preflop and fold the flop unless he's a drooler
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 05:43 AM

View Postmtdesmoines, on Sunday, January 9th, 2011, 2:35 AM, said:

Why is he cramming top set here vs two players?
because there's already a bunch of $ in the pot and two players consequently seem very interested

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 08:20 PM

View Posttrystero, on Sunday, January 9th, 2011, 7:43 AM, said:

because there's already a bunch of $ in the pot and two players consequently seem very interested
Yah but he's made the flop foldable now, whereas if he just calls the flop bet, he can pretty much make the turn or river unfoldable.
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 03:02 PM

All-in, on the flop.I understand your reasoning for flatting but you cna't get scared off in these spots. KK is stronger than the hands the villain is going to be putting you on. I don't thing villain is good judging by his bet sizing so I would expect to be up against some very weak hands.Knowing his 3-bet tendancys is a def help
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