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[Greatest I am]

Belief in God hinges on the reality and morality of hell.

At the end of the day, with a God who hides, the only good way to ascertain if he would be real or not is by his morality. This assumes that having a sense of morality is good and not having it is not and that a God would be good.

The pivotal question for God’s existence is;---- would a good God create a place like hell?

The definition of hell here is the one of eternal fire and torture with no chance of reprieve.
IOW. The traditional hell

To help me determine if there was a real Bible God or not, I asked and answered a few simple question for myself.

1. Is it morals and good justice for a soul to be able to sin for a finite time and then have to suffer torture for infinity?

2. Is it good morals and justice for small or mediocre sinners to have to bear the same sentence as Hitler, Stalin and other genocidal maniacs?

Punishment is usually only given to change attitude or actions and cause the sinner to repent.

3. Is it good morals and justice to continue to torture a soul in hell if no change in attitude or actions are to result?

4. Is it good morals and justice to keep a soul alive in hell instead of killing it for mercies sake?

I answered no to all of the above and determined that there is no way in hell that a hell would be a moral construct and that a good God would not create such a place. If hell exists then Bible God cannot if he is a good God.

If you answered no, as I did, then the existence of Bible God also gives a no answer.

If you answered yes to any of the above then let us examine your reasons for thinking that God would create this, to you, moral construct called hell.

Please justify your yes and show what I am to give a rebuttal to and let us try to reason together. This is mostly impossible from what I have seen and experienced but having kept this O P fairly simple, I am hopping that we can.


Regards
DL


PS. The next post is to give you a glimpse of what others think of some of these issues and to stimulate thought. There is quite a bit of it and it is there for reference only.

[Greatest I am]

On hell.

Better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity watching friends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever.
Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone. That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell.
If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once been human or good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZM3FXlLMug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE_TWhzG-p0...feature=related


Is God good?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaL7CkQaQpU...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9FKn4rKXEY...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTpJ8PGT2yY...feature=related


Satan’s history.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_sat2.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_sat1.htm#menu

http://abcnews.go.com/nightline/faceoff -----About ½ way down the page.




O T, N T, Jesus and hell.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TurpisHaeretic...u/2/k88ntaUXP2c


What the Bible says.

Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

By any definition, sendind souls to hell is overcoming evil with evil and hell in this sense is not Biblical.

Regards
DL

[Skeleton Jelly]

Better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity watching friends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever.

Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone. That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell.

If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once been human or good.

But what if in heaven you are made to believe that all your friends and family are really in heaven with you and you never become aware that they are really just cyborg replicants? Problem solved.

[Balloon guy]

But what if in heaven you are made to believe that all your friends and family are really in heaven with you and you never become aware that they are really just cyborg replicants? Problem solved.

What if people all just accept what Christ did on the cross for them and all go to heaven...problem solved again.

[Skeleton Jelly]

Less cyborg replicants in your scenario though.

[Balloon guy]

Of course it makes much more sense to have a world where you are not responsible for your actions ever.


That would be so much easier to handle...except for traffic laws, and drunk driving laws, and stuff.

[Balloon guy]

Less cyborg replicants in your scenario though.

Good ones can't be identified anyway.

[Greatest I am]

But what if in heaven you are made to believe that all your friends and family are really in heaven with you and you never become aware that they are really just cyborg replicants? Problem solved.

God, making souls believe lies!
Tsk tsk.
Shame on you for even thinking such.
Then again----

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

What if people all just accept what Christ did on the cross for them and all go to heaven...problem solved again.

Yes yes. We should all try to profit from the murder of innocent men. That is a moral position we should all take.

Not.

God rejected the vicarious atonement of Jesus as it would be immoral to offer it or accept it.

Why have you forsaken me is answered with this .

Pro 21:3 To do justice and judgment [is] more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.

Psa 49:7 None [of them] can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

Are you willing to look up these and comment on our salvation without the blood or Jesus?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp9XIh-BPio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U

Regards
DL