Math Question

[pezeveng 207]

I was wondering for the proline football pools if there are 13 games being played I can box 4 of them which would cost me $80 a tix.There are 9 games left how many possible outcomes are there with 9 games?

[Zach6668 513]

If I'm understanding it right, and note I'm a little rusty, but each game has 2 possible outcomes, so I think it'd be 2^9, which is 512 different outcomes, for the remaining 9 games.

[serge 904]

If I'm understanding it right, and note I'm a little rusty, but each game has 2 possible outcomes, so I think it'd be 2^9, which is 512 different outcomes, for the remaining 9 games.

This is technically correct i believe..However there are possibilities of ties, remote as that is..Not sure how that affects the numbers.

[Zach6668 513]

Oh, it's regulation ties? That's gay. If you include that, it's 3^9 of possible outcomes, which is 19683... obviously it's only an unbiased account of the number of outcomes, not taking into account the probability of each.

[serge 904]

Oh, it's regulation ties? That's gay. If you include that, it's 3^9 of possible outcomes, which is 19683... obviously it's only an unbiased account of the number of outcomes, not taking into account the probability of each.

I am not positive to be honest of the proline rules..but it might be..

[pezeveng 207]

So I would have to play 512 tix at $80 a pop which would cost $40,960.Already this year in week 4 I think had 1 winner for $725,000 winner and last week there was 15 winners at $50,632.I need to put together a syndicate of investors.Thanks Zach I suck at math.

[pezeveng 207]

I am not positive to be honest of the proline rules..but it might be..

If its a tie the lower ranked team wins. See soccer for that one.

[pezeveng 207]

Hockey would be cheaper to hit but the payouts suck. 10 games box four would leave 6.

[Zach6668 513]

So I would have to play 512 tix at $80 a pop which would cost $40,960.Already this year in week 4 I think had 1 winner for $725,000 winner and last week there was 15 winners at $50,632.I need to put together a syndicate of investors.Thanks Zach I suck at math.

Well. I don't know. I didn't factor in how many tickets it would take to box any of those, since I'm not entirely sure about what boxing is.

[pezeveng 207]

Well. I don't know. I didn't factor in how many tickets it would take to box any of those, since I'm not entirely sure about what boxing is.

Iam really bad at explaining things especially on the net but I will try.There are 13 football games, each game only has 2 outcomes V or H. Each ticket will cost you $5 so the math would be 13^2 would equal whatever times $5 per ticket.Pro line allows you to box up to 4 games meaning you can select V and H for those games, but it costs $80 a ticket to do it this way. So I would box games 10, 11, 12, and 13. Meaning those games are taken care of so now I have 9 remaining games.Does that help?

[Zach6668 513]

Would you be boxing 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5, 6, 7, 8 as well? I don't really know what your entire goal here is. It seems to me that you want to create a situation where you are guaranteed to win.

[serge 904]

Would you be boxing 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5, 6, 7, 8 as well? I don't really know what your entire goal here is. It seems to me that you want to create a situation where you are guaranteed to win.

he can box 4 games...So essentially doesnt matter what the outcomes are..Boxing 8 games would be super expensive..in a 13 game week, boxing 4 games means he only has to get the other 9 right..

[MapleLeafs 142]

In ProPicks, you have to pick the outright winner (no spread) in each game. He wants to guarantee he has a winning ticket by picking every possible combination of picks.Take this Sunday's schedule:1 NYJ DET 2 MIA BAL 3 NE CLE 4 CHI BUF 5 TB ATL 6 NWO CAR 7 ARI MIN 8 SD HOU 9 NYG SEA 10 IND PHI 11 KC OAK 12 DAL GB 13 PIT CIN It costs $5 to play 1 ticket. If you "box" 1 game, it costs you $10 and you're essentially picking 2 identical tickets. Only 1 game will be different. So you would be picking the same teams to win in games 1-12, but on ticket 1 you would pick Pittsburgh, and on ticket 2 you would pick Cincinnati. That game is wiped off the board and you only need to get 12 games right.If you box 2 games, it costs $20, as you're essentially playing 4 different tickets. 1-11 are identical picks, on ticket 1 you pick Dallas and Pittsburgh, on ticket 2 you pick Dallas and Cincinnati, on ticket 3 you pick Green Bay and Pittsburgh, and on ticket 4 you pick Green Bay and Cincinnati.Boxing 3 games costs $40 and is 8 different tickets. 4 boxed games costs $80 and is the max you can do..... and you get the idea. I think.So to cover every outcome on a 13 game week:Box 1 game: $10Box 2 games: $20Box 3 games: $40Box 4 games: $80Box 5 games: $160Box 6 games: $320Box 7 games: $640Box 8 games: $1280Box 9 games: $2560Box 10 games: $5120Box 11 games: $10240Box 12 games: $20480Box 13 games: $40960 (You'd have the winner)The prize pool is usually around $750K and is split evenly among all winning tickets. It ranges from 1 winner, to people winning less than $1000.Good luck.

[Babying 613]

Very good calculation.I think the time spent marking all the sheet down would be a killer.

[pezeveng 207]

I found someone who was ahead of me in this. His only problem was he wasn't going to box his top four plays and invest $5000 each week.If you check out page 6 of the thread the guy would have had the $750,000 winner if he invested the extra $35,000.money to burn

[gruven 530]

Some guys in the US figured this out for a powerball draw that was like 75 million. They calculated that they could buy all the possible number combos and still profit 30 million or something. The problem they had was that, even with a big team working on it, they couldnt fill out, and then buy all the tickets in time. THEN they had the problem of they hadn't thought of a system to check the numbers. They had to do it by hand, and they ended up being able to claim only about half their prizes (and they missed the grand prize) because there was a one year limit to claim the bigger prizes and thirty days to claim the smaller ones....

[pezeveng 207]

Some guys in the US figured this out for a powerball draw that was like 75 million. They calculated that they could buy all the possible number combos and still profit 30 million or something. The problem they had was that, even with a big team working on it, they couldnt fill out, and then buy all the tickets in time. THEN they had the problem of they hadn't thought of a system to check the numbers. They had to do it by hand, and they ended up being able to claim only about half their prizes (and they missed the grand prize) because there was a one year limit to claim the bigger prizes and thirty days to claim the smaller ones....

Mine is a bit easier only 512 tickets. 30 days to cash in a prize is stupid.

[strategy 4]

surely you could just get a barcode scanner and scan all the numbers into a database, give it some rules for what constitutes a winning ticket when you do the search for the winning number. physically retrieving the winners would be tough if you weren't good about keeping things in order after you purchased all the numbers.hilarious to think about people spending that much money without some basic planning for the most likely scenario.

[MapleLeafs 142]

I found someone who was ahead of me in this. His only problem was he wasn't going to box his top four plays and invest $5000 each week.If you check out page 6 of the thread the guy would have had the $750,000 winner if he invested the extra $35,000.money to burn

A couple reasons why no regular joe would do it. First is, yeah you're assured to have a winning ticket but there's a good chance the prize is less then the money you'd need to invest on a given week. I'd say you lose money each week more then half the time. All you'd need is 3 weeks where you win yourself though and your year is probably covered.Second, half of the weeks are 16 games which brings your investment up to roughly $320K per week. Third, the time you'd need to invest to actually fill out all the tickets, and go to the lottery store and play them would be nuts. Like you said, you'd definitely need a team.It would be interesting to see someone like Daniel do this each week and see how much you win/lose at the end of the year.

[gruven 530]

surely you could just get a barcode scanner and scan all the numbers into a database, give it some rules for what constitutes a winning ticket when you do the search for the winning number. physically retrieving the winners would be tough if you weren't good about keeping things in order after you purchased all the numbers.hilarious to think about people spending that much money without some basic planning for the most likely scenario.

Yeah, if I remember the story right, they just had boxes and boxes and boxes of tickets in a basement. Every ticket had to be manually checked..

[pezeveng 207]

A couple reasons why no regular joe would do it. First is, yeah you're assured to have a winning ticket but there's a good chance the prize is less then the money you'd need to invest on a given week. I'd say you lose money each week more then half the time. All you'd need is 3 weeks where you win yourself though and your year is probably covered.Second, half of the weeks are 16 games which brings your investment up to roughly $320K per week. Third, the time you'd need to invest to actually fill out all the tickets, and go to the lottery store and play them would be nuts. Like you said, you'd definitely need a team.It would be interesting to see someone like Daniel do this each week and see how much you win/lose at the end of the year.

Once the bye weeks are done its almost impossible to play it and the investment skyrockets. 13 game weeks suit the system best.

[Babying 613]

So it is $40k right?Let's get 8 guys ready to invest $5k and everyone has to put in their time to mark the sheets (at the ice cream shop when it is closed).

[mrdannyg 274]

I found someone who was ahead of me in this. His only problem was he wasn't going to box his top four plays and invest $5000 each week.If you check out page 6 of the thread the guy would have had the $750,000 winner if he invested the extra $35,000.money to burn

That is a horrendous idea, unless the guy's 'top 4' picks are done with a professional level of handicapping. I don't feel like reading the whole thread, but if his top 4 are just big favourites, he is significantly biasing any weeks he wins to be ones without a huge underdog upset, which of course are the weeks where only a couple people share the prize.

surely you could just get a barcode scanner and scan all the numbers into a database, give it some rules for what constitutes a winning ticket when you do the search for the winning number. physically retrieving the winners would be tough if you weren't good about keeping things in order after you purchased all the numbers.hilarious to think about people spending that much money without some basic planning for the most likely scenario.

I'm with you, this seems easy. One guy scans the barcode, hands it to another guy who numbers the ticket. Keep all the tickets in order, and have the spreadsheet maintain the codes in the order they were scanned. I'd imagine searching the spreadsheet would be very easy for someone with any excel skillz. Pulling out the winners would be easy in this scenario.That only leaves filling out individual tickets. I'd imagine a computer could be programmed to do that. Not sure if the lottery corporation would look to kindly on mailing you 20 million slips, or if you could print them yourself. If so, I'd imagine the cost of printing the slips and the ink to fill them out would be significant, though likely not prohibitive if the overlay was big enough. That all assumes that any printer ink could be read by the scanning machines, but that seems likely.Hey, apparently Lotto 649 allows you to do 9-number 'combo plays' - so you just fill out a slip with 9 numbers and check off combo play - that'd cut down on things significantly.Oh, and the lottery probably has some fine print about having the right to deny prizes to anyone they deem to be abusing it or some shit

[Dubey 1,035]

In Alberta, the prize pools are a lot smaller. Last week 2 people got 13 of 13 for $40k each. the week before, nobody got them all, and 10 people had 12 of 13 for 8k each.I thought I had a chance, going 9/10 on the first 10 games yesterday, but oakland blew it for me with their last minute game tying drive. Had KC, lost that one and ended up 10/12 on yesterdays games on a $5 ticket. (picked Pitt to win tonight)12/13 would have given me a small chance at a share of the win, although with only one upset this week, it's likely a few people will have picked all 13 correct.