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[akoff]

85suited, on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010, 4:59 AM, said:

I will respond later - I am running out to pay taxes and pay my fair shareI am only asking the question.... DO you think the average american knew what they were voting for?AKOFF everything you pointed out is true - but keep in mind you follow politics... What was common knowledge to us in this forum is not common to everyone else...I am just looking at the big slide in job approval and am wondering - Why is it so low? He is doing everything I heard him say he would. SO did people really not know what they were voting for?

I believe people got caught up in wave of change, it was historic! I sincerely believe the fact that he was a minority pushed him into the job. People were so excited to be a part "change" he recieved close 100 percent of the black vote, he recieved a huge percentage of the college vote and then there were the disenfranchised who just knew they were unhappy Barak was gonn stick it to the rich. That was enough. Now they have gotten what they asked for and it is getting worse.

LongLiveYorke, on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010, 5:01 AM, said:

Thanks, lol

Anytime buddy!!

[Balloon guy]

custom36, on Monday, September 6th, 2010, 8:49 AM, said:

Negative isn't slanted, it's just negative. The author has quotes from her husband, has clearly researched most of the claims in the story, and gets most people on the record. You should really try reading it before burning it.

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After one local Republican delivers 90 minutes of uninterrupted praise for Palin, I ask whom else I should talk to, and the answer comes so fast it’s like a cry for help—which is how, the next day, I end up in the living room of Colleen Cottle, who is the matriarch of one of Wasilla’s oldest families, and who served on the city council when Palin was mayor. She says she and her husband, Rodney, will pay a price for speaking candidly about Palin. Their son is one of Todd Palin’s best friends. “But it is time for people to start telling the truth,” Colleen says. She describes the frustrations of trying to do city business with a mayor who “had no attention span—with Sarah it was always ‘What’s the flavor of the day?’ ”; who was unable to take part meaningfully in conversations about budgets because she “does not understand math or accounting—she only knows buzzwords, like ‘balanced budget’ ”; and who clocked out after four hours on most days, delegating her duties to an aide—“but he’ll never talk to you, because he has a state job and doesn’t want to lose it.” This type of conversation is repeated so often that Wasilla starts to feel like something from The Twilight Zone or a Shirley Jackson short story—a place populated entirely by abuse survivors.

I lived in a city with 45,000 people in it.Every single city council member and the mayor held full time jobs, they only met for city business on set days. They received $50 per scheduled meeting.Saying Sarah left after 4 hours is like saying we got twice what most mayors gave us, unless they weer retired busy bodies.The average city has a manager, who is paid a real salary. It is his job o do the city's business, not the mayors. They have the job of holding council meetings where they publically discuss what the city manager has decided to do for the city, then they vote to give it legal status. I would imagine in a city of Wasilla's size, that most of the time there was regular city business that was the re-hashing of the last years agenda for that month.Attend any city council meeting in any small town and you will read that above quote with a lot less damning slant, and a lot more: "Sounds like Colleen didn't like that Sarah was attractive so she is being catty."

[custom36]

Balloon guy, on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010, 9:47 AM, said:

I lived in a city with 45,000 people in it.Every single city council member and the mayor held full time jobs, they only met for city business on set days. They received $50 per scheduled meeting.Saying Sarah left after 4 hours is like saying we got twice what most mayors gave us, unless they weer retired busy bodies.The average city has a manager, who is paid a real salary. It is his job o do the city's business, not the mayors. They have the job of holding council meetings where they publically discuss what the city manager has decided to do for the city, then they vote to give it legal status. I would imagine in a city of Wasilla's size, that most of the time there was regular city business that was the re-hashing of the last years agenda for that month.Attend any city council meeting in any small town and you will read that above quote with a lot less damning slant, and a lot more: "Sounds like Colleen didn't like that Sarah was attractive so she is being catty."

Wait, this is your argument? That it's probably not true and Colleen's just being a bitch? Based on what evidence? Colleen's statements are in addition to the mountain of other evidence accumulated over the last year about Palin. Unless you don't believe those either - in which case, there's really nowhere else to go in this conversation.

[Balloon guy]

custom36, on Monday, September 6th, 2010, 8:11 AM, said:

Vanity Fair's October 2010 profile on Sarah Palin is a fantastic piece of journalism. The writer spent this spring and summer with Palin and her campaign for the story. Nothing I say could do it justice though. I highly suggest you guys read the entire thing, though you may not have time to finish it...http://www.vanityfai...currentPage=allAnd can we please not use the "liberal media" fallback? Kthxbye.

After reading the opening paragraph I was already clear on the bias of the writer. A hackney wanna-be who wants to hitch onto Sarah's coattails and try to get rich off it.

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Even as Sarah Palin’s public voice grows louder, she has become increasingly secretive, walling herself off from old friends and associates, and attempting to enforce silence from those around her. Following the former Alaska governor’s road show, the author delves into the surreal new world Palin now inhabits—a place of fear, anger, and illusion, which has swallowed up the engaging, small-town hockey mom and her family—and the sadness she has left in her wake.

Oh my goodness...Sarah is trying to have a private life? What??? With kids and after having her life torn apart 24/7 by the liberal media??? What an obvious attention whore, hiding and stuff!!!!And here is one clear indicator of a writer's ability: When they tell you how a person they hardly know feels about things behind closed doors, they probably do not have a clue about honesty. You can expect more of this liberal use of lies, that is the basis for the article, which is why it got the first paragraph.

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With few exceptions—mostly Palin antagonists in journalism and politics whose beefs with her have long been out in the open—virtually no one who knows Palin well is willing to talk about her on the record, whether because they are loyal and want to protect her (a small and shrinking number), or because they expect her prominence to grow and intend to keep their options open, or because they fear she will exact revenge, as she has been known to do.

OOOHHHHH...Sarah will get you! That's why I had such a hard time getting dirt on her, people are afraid to say anything bad about Sarah Palin.Anyone think this notion might be a little...I don't know?... Made up completely out of fairy dust and lemonade lies? Nobody will come out and tell us she's a horrible eprson, therefore she must be a horrible person who they are afraid of.Good deduction there mr. writer, now look at the little paper clipped to your collar to see where you live. Give the note to the man in the short bus, he is a friend.

[custom36]

Balloon guy, on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010, 9:58 AM, said:

After reading the opening paragraph I was already clear on the bias of the writer. A hackney wanna-be who wants to hitch onto Sarah's coattails and try to get rich off it.Oh my goodness...Sarah is trying to have a private life? What??? With kids and after having her life torn apart 24/7 by the liberal media??? What an obvious attention whore, hiding and stuff!!!!And here is one clear indicator of a writer's ability: When they tell you how a person they hardly know feels about things behind closed doors, they probably do not have a clue about honesty. You can expect more of this liberal use of lies, that is the basis for the article, which is why it got the first paragraph.OOOHHHHH...Sarah will get you! That's why I had such a hard time getting dirt on her, people are afraid to say anything bad about Sarah Palin.Anyone think this notion might be a little...I don't know?... Made up completely out of fairy dust and lemonade lies? Nobody will come out and tell us she's a horrible eprson, therefore she must be a horrible person who they are afraid of.Good deduction there mr. writer, now look at the little paper clipped to your collar to see where you live. Give the note to the man in the short bus, he is a friend.

Hey, look at you! Reading 3 paragraphs and skimming a few others! Excellent detective work.Regarding the comment that she's seemingly walled herself off: There are anecdotes, as you read more of the story, with examples of this. There's having a private life and then there's not wanting to talk to anyone. While I'll admit that it's not his strongest point, it's not made up out of thin air. The idea that a respected journalist would completely fabricate stories, especially in an article he spent at least 6 months on, is nothing but speculation and paranoia. Journalists are professionals that take their jobs and integrity very seriously (not to be confused with tv commentators. They are only journalists in the broadest sense of the word, imo). Assuming that they are lying, with no evidence to back up your claims, reeks of "I don't have an argument...but it can't be true, it just CAN'T!" I thought you were better than that.And nobody made up the fear of retribution. Remember the trooper that divorced her sister and suddenly found himself in the middle of a statewide investigation with Sarah campaigning for him to be fired? So, yeah...

[Balloon guy]

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She manages to be at once a closed book and a constant noisemaker. Her press spokesperson, Pam Pryor, barely speaks to the press, and Palin shrewdly cultivates a real and rhetorical antagonism toward what she calls “the lamestream media.” The Palin machine is supported by organizations that do much of their business under the cover of pseudonyms and shell companies. In accordance with the terms of a reported $1 million annual contract with Fox News, Palin regularly delivers canned commentary on that network. But in the year since she abruptly resigned the governorship of Alaska, in order to market herself full-time—earning an estimated $13 million in the process—she has submitted to authentic, unpaid interviews with only a handful of journalists, none of whom have posed notably challenging questions. She keeps tight control of her pronouncements, speaking only in settings of her own choosing, with audiences of her own selection, and with reporters kept at bay. (Despite many requests, neither Palin nor her current staff would comment for this article.) She injects herself into the news almost every day, but on a strictly one-way basis, through a steady stream of messages on Twitter and Facebook. The press plays along. Palin is the only politician whose tweets are regularly reported as news by TV networks. She is the only one who has been able to significantly change the course of debate on a major national issue (health-care reform) with a single Facebook posting (in which she accused the Obama administration, falsely, of wanting to set up a “death panel”).

Let me shorten this for brevity sake.She got burned by the media, so she now is wary, and because she is a marketable person, she made a deal to make more money than this writer will ever dream about seeing. Therefore, because she is getting rich, she must let us destroy her by writing about her without any information. In fact here is an article where I never talked to her one time, or her staff in fact, so I have to go out and find people that hate her like me to get the real facts that I already knew.I have never talked to anyone at Fox News, but I know that Palin doesn't do anything but read something they tell her to read and pay her $13M to do it. That's just wrong...How can any self respecting person receive money to read what other's have written and not admit they are a completely horrible waste of air? Except the anchors on every single news program on every station I mean, those people are real journalist. Except Dan Rather who was fired for lying on air, something we are sure Sarah will do so we should fire her now.Oh and I hate that my twitter account has 3 followers, my wife and kids didn't sign up.

[CaneBrain]

Like all women, she wants to have her cake and eat it too. She wants to be able to comment on anything she feels like commenting on without being scrutinized or criticized in any way for those statements. Or as BG calls it "being wary".

[Balloon guy]

custom36, on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010, 8:11 AM, said:

Hey, look at you! Reading 3 paragraphs and skimming a few others! Excellent detective work.Regarding the comment that she's seemingly walled herself off: There are anecdotes, as you read more of the story, with examples of this. There's having a private life and then there's not wanting to talk to anyone. While I'll admit that it's not his strongest point, it's not made up out of thin air. The idea that a respected journalist would completely fabricate stories, especially in an article he spent at least 6 months on, is nothing but speculation and paranoia. Journalists are professionals that take their jobs and integrity very seriously (not to be confused with tv commentators. They are only journalists in the broadest sense of the word, imo). Assuming that they are lying, with no evidence to back up your claims, reeks of "I don't have an argument...but it can't be true, it just CAN'T!" I thought you were better than that.

Here's how most things are written: You lead off with the good stuff, because that hooks them, then you fill, then you close.I am going through some of this trash because I feel like being ornery, so I will get to the rest as I get to it.

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And nobody made up the fear of retribution. Remember the trooper that divorced her sister and suddenly found himself in the middle of a statewide investigation with Sarah campaigning for him to be fired? So, yeah...

The trooper that threatened to kill her father if he meddled in his affairs?The trooper who tased a ten year old to 'show him how it felt'He wasn't fired by Palin.The top cop was, for being insubordinate about budget issues. The Palin camp sent out the e-mail proof between the cop and the budget person, and everyone dropped it because once the facts were out, even the liberal media couldn't continue to make the case that Palin fired him for not firing the trooper.But the 'story' never got out, which is why you are still believing that Palin fired a trooper.And btw, the governor can fire a person for being alive. There is no right to not be fired at that level.

[Balloon guy]

custom36, on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010, 7:58 AM, said:

Wait, this is your argument? That it's probably not true and Colleen's just being a bitch? Based on what evidence? Colleen's statements are in addition to the mountain of other evidence accumulated over the last year about Palin. Unless you don't believe those either - in which case, there's really nowhere else to go in this conversation.

No, I am pointing out that a person who thinks a mayor of a small town is a 40 hour a week job is greatly confused. Most small town mayors work about 10 hours a week total, and are paid for their meetings only, no matter how long they last.Again, when you lead with it, it is usually your best stuff. And this is so weak that it requires the reader to think the mayor is supposed to work 8+ hours a day. Anyone with any knowledge of the subject would laugh at the notion that leaving after 4 hours is in anyway declarative about anything.And this is the lead in to get you interested in the rest of his facts.I'll continue making fun of this guy, because I am caught up at work, but I doubt I will read all this, probably grab some obviously poorly thought out 'arguments' and then mock his ability to wrote.I know I'm a biased hack, but Henry is like practically the most level headed person here and if he thinks it is biased garbage..you can probably figure that it's worse.

[Roll the Bones]

Roll the Bones, on Saturday, September 4th, 2010, 3:43 PM, said:

"I want to make a toast to all at this press event who agree with Thomas Jefferson, who said that our liberty depends on the freedom of the press. So I want to lift a glass to those who defend that freedom. Our finest, the men and women in uniform who defend that freedom, our Constitution, and our exceptional way of life in America."—Speaking at the Time 100 gala, New York City, May 4, 2010

phlegm, on Saturday, September 4th, 2010, 4:06 PM, said:

Whats the point here? Or is this an attempt at hijacking your own thread?

vbnautilus, on Saturday, September 4th, 2010, 4:13 PM, said:

Yeah I don't see what's wrong with that last one.

Um, it's a little presumptious to insinuate that we are at war to defend, "the liberty of the press".

[CaneBrain]

Roll the Bones, on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010, 1:16 PM, said:

Um, it's a little presumptious to insinuate that we are at war to defend, "the liberty of the press".

Really? I thought the joke was Palin, of all people, talking up freedom of the press......when she spends most of her time telling everyone how lame the press is and how they trample on her first amendment rights by criticizing her (could she be more RETARDED?)

[Balloon guy]

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Each guest has a photo taken with Palin and receives a “personally autographed bookplate copy” of Palin’s autobiography, Going Rogue. (The autographs are fake, made with an Autopen.)

As are 99.99999% of every politicians form letter sent to every person who voted for them. But let's pretend that Sarah is disingenuous.

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Then Palin departs from the script and speaks as if from the heart, describing her fear and confusion upon discovering that Trig would be born with Down syndrome. “I had never really been around a baby with special needs,” she tells her listeners. For what it’s worth, this statement is untrue. Depicting the same moment of discovery in her own book, Palin writes that she immediately thought of a special-needs child she knew very well: her autistic nephew. Such falsehoods never damage Palin’s credibility with her admirers, because information and ideology are incidental to this relationship.

Yea..Sarah Palin who is raising a Down's Syndrome child is a liar because she knows someone else that had autism.Of course it is not possible that she didn't want to repeat 'Down's Syndrome', but instead rephrased it to the more politically correct phrase 'special needs'.No she MUST have meant that she has NEVER met anyone that was not perfect.And since we have clearly shown that she is a liar, then we can broad bush a statement that she is a complete liar. This writer uses a sentence that could easily have another meaning, and that is enough to declare her as dishonest.Well one's things for sure, this shows someone's dishonesty.Publisher: Okay, give me your best example of why Sarah Palin is a liar.Writer: Okay, this is good. She said she didn't know anyone with 'special needs', while talking about her Down's Syndrome child, BUT she has a nephew with autism.Publisher: What? That lying witch. Burn her, Burn her, BURN HERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr

[CaneBrain]

Balloon guy, on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010, 1:19 PM, said:

Publisher: Okay, give me your best example of why Sarah Palin is a liar.Writer: Okay, this is good. She said she didn't know anyone with 'special needs', while talking about her Down's Syndrome child, BUT she has a nephew with autism.Publisher: What? That lying witch. Burn her, Burn her, BURN HERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr

Everyone knows you throw witches in the water and if they don't drown they are witches.

[Balloon guy]

CaneBrain, on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010, 10:19 AM, said:

Really? I thought the joke was Palin, of all people, talking up freedom of the press......when she spends most of her time telling everyone how lame the press is and how they trample on her first amendment rights by criticizing her (could she be more RETARDED?)

She is a part of the press. Heard of Fox NEWS?????And of course, if you ever mention that some cops are dirty, you must hate law enforcement.

[Balloon guy]

CaneBrain, on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010, 10:20 AM, said:

Everyone knows you throw witches in the water and if they don't drown they are witches.

What else floats?

[CaneBrain]

Balloon guy, on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010, 1:21 PM, said:

She is a part of the press. Heard of Fox NEWS?????And of course, if you ever mention that some cops are dirty, you must hate law enforcement.

Some? Or anyone who disagrees with her?Never heard of this Fox News thing. Sounds familiar but I can't place it.Ducks float.

[JoeyJoJo]

Roll the Bones, on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010, 10:16 AM, said:

Um, it's a little presumptious to insinuate that we are at war to defend, "the liberty of the press".

This is what she is saying:Our finest, the men and women in uniform who defend that freedom, (who defend) our Constitution, and (who defend) our exceptional way of life in America."

[Balloon guy]

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(Palin is on track to earn well over $3 million in speaking fees for events this year. Washington Speakers Bureau did not respond to an interview request.)

Gasp..she is paid to speak.How can this be?"I have a degree in journalism, I know Bush was a liar and people died, I hate republicans...why don't they pay meeeeeeeee?"And you know why the WSB didn't respond to your hack job story?Because at $3 million this year, Sarah is one of their lowest paid speakers.Clinton made $100 million in his first year on the circuit. The story implying that he is scum is pending from this writer I'm sure.

[Balloon guy]

JoeyJoJo, on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010, 10:22 AM, said:

This is what she is saying:Our finest, the men and women in uniform who defend that freedom, (who defend) our Constitution, and (who defend) our exceptional way of life in America."

It's a little presumptuous to thank soldiers for defending our constitution when George Bush tore it up and burned it with Karl Rove's torch of evil!I'm pretty sure he actually tore up the real constitution, and the government just hasn't announced it yet because they are waiting for the Supreme Court to get uppidity then BAM...THEIR AIN'T NO CONSTITUTION DOG!

[CaneBrain]

Balloon guy, on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010, 1:29 PM, said:

It's a little presumptuous to thank soldiers for defending our constitution when George Bush tore it up and burned it with Karl Rove's torch of evil!

actually the rolled it up and used it to funnel water into the noses of terrorists to simulate drowning. Don't you know anything?