fighter, on Monday, August 30th, 2010, 6:50 AM, said:
I would fold turn. 8 is a terrible card for him to keep bluffing on. I would fold river too. I give unknown people credit for having a hand the first time they fire three barrels. I also give credit to unknowns the first time they overbet bluff. This random just did both. While you have close to the top of your range in this spot, I doubt he knowns that or is thinking that. All he is really thinking about is Vegas and the ****ing Mirage.10nl should be about trying to value bet really thin since people don't play back often enough and call too much. You just became an example of that by calling 3 streets + an over bet with a dominated ace. Solid poker man, no need to hero call without a read.
This is a reallllllly good post by fighter
Rawrr, on Monday, August 30th, 2010, 7:33 AM, said:
I have to disagree with you on one part to mentioned. I routinely see people play A6 and even A5 like the nuts when they hit their ace. Its rarer for A2-A4, but A5+ is certainly in that group. I always scratch my head when it happens, but now I have scabs because it happens so often at these levels.
As fighter mentioned, until you see this villain play A-rag as the nuts, don't assume. It will be very expensive.
fighter, on Monday, August 30th, 2010, 7:52 AM, said:
I have limited experience with 10nl so I'll have to let someone else comment on level dynamics. I believe that in this situation they are overplaying their aces unless they think that you are going to get attached with 4x, 5x or spades. It is for this reason that I advise against a call down here without a read. If you see him barreling off at a really high frequency then call down. If you see him going for thin value against other regs (not fish, they should have a modified range vs fish) call. If you haven't, I would let this go. You are trying to expolit someone for value betting too thin when you haven't seen them do that before.
I played 50k hands at 10nl 6max earlier this year. I want to refer back to what fighter said about beating the micros by value betting the loose/passive players who make the mistake of calling too much. Don't be on of those players.As played, I would be folding this river 99% of the time. I am folding the turn often but based on our relative hand strength and bet sizing, I don't mind the turn call.
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Feral Cow PokerPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersButton: $11.98 SB: $11.00 BB: $14.38 (Hero)UTG: $10.84 UTG+1: $10.00 CO: $16.79 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 
(6 players)2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20Flop: ($0.65) 
(2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40Turn: ($1.45) 
(2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80River: ($3.05) 
(2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50(Rake: $0.69)I was running horribly in SNG's, so I thought I would go back to cash games where I built my bankroll. Villain has been playing pretty tight, and I never saw him bluff two streets. I told myself I would call a bet on the river even though I didn't like the 8 or 4, but I wasn't expecting an overbet, something that I had yet to see him do. I called because I felt that since I called two streets, he would either be getting called by me on a normal sized bet with a decent hand, or be folding with a draw, and that him betting so much was him trying to push me off something. That being said, in the back of my mind was the fact that this is 10NL and a lot of players don't think their actions through that much.Is it ever wrong to call here? Or should I have folded? I don't think pushing would have helped me since I am only getting called by better hands.Also, I do realize I have a decent hand and we are 6 handed, I just didn't like the way it played out because of the way I had seen him play.
