nl cash game- good fold ?

[wisky_VI 0]

NL cash game 1/2 5 players very loose all night, this was actually a restarted game for those out of a small tourney.I'm UTG, called with 22. Novice to my left raises to 6 telling me he probably has 2 face cards. Two folds and then crazy raiser calls the six, based on this I call 4 more.Flop AA8, guy to left checks and crazy raiser bets 10. I decide to fold, with my last deciding factor(weak as it seems)that I was about even in money and didn't wanna 'gamble'. Guy to left calls.Turn card of course was a 2, furthermore neither player had the ace though I really thought one of them had it.Normally an easy fold IMO, just wondering what others have to say.(people at the table of course said they would have called, I play there with friends and golf league members)

[Rocketwadster 0]

Easy fold there (and easier fold UTG with those 2's), or a raise, definately not a call. :wink:

[bascomeb 0]

You have to fold because one of htem could have a higher pocket pair then you. Also you still have a player left to act who could be holding an Ace. Don't be discouraged a 2 came out. You made the correct fold.

[Diboss 0]

Easy fold there (and easier fold UTG with those 2's), or a raise, definately not a call. :wink:

you called UTG with 22? brave man...A raise only if you believe you could steal the pot right there, but considering you said they were loose, not likely to happen, and well, 22 is extremely hard to play post-flop out of position, unless you hit a set :-)

[powerpoker 0]

you made the right move although i hate when that happens...if one person bets i might raise to find out where i am but if its called by another person i gotta give credit to someone having an ace or a higher pp...good fold bad result but fundamentaly sound play :wink:

[wisky_VI 0]

Easy fold there (and easier fold UTG with those 2's), or a raise, definately not a call. :wink:

you called UTG with 22? brave man...A raise only if you believe you could steal the pot right there, but considering you said they were loose, not likely to happen, and well, 22 is extremely hard to play post-flop out of position, unless you hit a set :-)

That was my play, call the semi meaningless raise and then hope to flop a set etc for which I would surely get paid.I was pretty confident my lay down was sound long term strategy but I felt like hearing it from others. I love my weekly game but it is a little.......wild shall we say ?? No doubt if I could be a good boy and REALLY tighten up I could make money but I do well playing a few pots here and there.

[dbdbarry 0]

i would have folded preflop. You won't flop enough sets to get paid with that raise unless you're planning on making $60 when you hit your set.

[Makata 0]

That was my play, call the semi meaningless raise and then hope to flop a set etc for which I would surely get paid.

Out of curiosity, why are you calling it semi meaningless? 3x is fairly standard, as is having 1 late player call it and blinds folding. It really doesn't get any much more textbook than that. Raiser could have anything from 66 to QKs to AA, so why is it meaningless?Also, this is why I'd never call 22 UTG, same w/ 33 and 44 and if I'm going to bother playing 55-88, you might as well raise. It's very uncommon for it to not be raised preflop AND be betted heavily post flop, which is what you'd need to make limping correct. About the only way it happens is if you catch a late position player overplaying something like 9K on a 2Kx flop, turn 9.When you do decide to limp, calling the raise is the worst of your 3 options, this I agree with. You're paying $4 to see a pot of $17 (currently), barely 4 to 1, and you hit your set without an opponent hitting his like 1 in 10 times (1 in 8 for your set, then dumb it down slightly due to higher sets, flopped flushes, etc) and you could still end up losing. With a reraise of a little less than pot, perhaps calling the $4 (putting $21 in the pot toal), and raising another $13 will find out where you stand. If you're reraised by your left, fold (this will rarely happen), you stand a good chance of picking up the pot uncontested (where you don't even need a set), and if either player just calls and flop is 9 high or less, there's a fairly good chance your pair is actually winning.Calling however, means you automatically commit $4 to a hand you will fold the vast majority of the time, and both other players get to see if they pair for free. It also reduces both the frequency with which you win and the amount you win when you do.