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#1 bassplayer45459

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Posted 08 August 2010 - 07:15 AM

I am in the small blind, 3 or 4 limpers from middle position, i get dealt A A 2 4 one suit...3 bet every time?
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 08:26 AM

Yes, you want to extract as much value as possible.

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Posted 08 August 2010 - 08:52 AM

if you dont know you should be raising the second best possible starting hand pre, what are you doing playing this game. go to 2+2 and find a basic over strat post, or get a book on O8.
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 09:09 AM

View Postrrumsey, on Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 11:52 AM, said:

if you dont know you should be raising the second best possible starting hand pre, what are you doing playing this game. go to 2+2 and find a basic over strat post, or get a book on O8.
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 09:46 AM

I have played this game for years, i know it is the second best starting hand, what i am looking for is if there is any discussion to just call and eithe disguise or keep more people in the pot, yes it seems silly, but i havent played in a year or more and i am interested to what people think
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 02:04 PM

View Postbassplayer45459, on Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 10:46 AM, said:

I have played this game for years, i know it is the second best starting hand, what i am looking for is if there is any discussion to just call and eithe disguise or keep more people in the pot, yes it seems silly, but i havent played in a year or more and i am interested to what people think
sorry wasnt trying to be a total ass, my bad!In general i would say it is not something i would get tricky with, since people generally play fit or fold and look at their hand and the board and simply say yes no in there head so much, the amount you would have to gain postflop would be huge to compensate for the missed value preflop. I mean i would stick to just playing it for value. To be tricky longterm, it is harder to balance your passive lines with good hands. it would be easier ( and better imo) to if you want to be tricky to go the other way, get a little looser and more aggro preflop. its far easier to balance. plus if it is pot limit o8 your talking about you dont wanna not be able to get stacks in due to the pot being small to begin with. in limit, its more reasonable to try and slowplay a bit, but i would do thinks like c/r postflop rather then miss value preflop. sorry for be an ass, hope this is what you were looking for.
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 02:48 PM

Yeah, i am playing limit currently, i am starting low and working my way up so sometimes i think there is value in being tricky with lots of people in to get more out of it, rather than scaring mediocre hands off. Since these are low stakes, like you said, most people say it looks good, looks bad, or i can see and extra card in case another low one comes. Sometimes so many people are in there is value in having lots in and taking half, but of course scooping is our primary goal. Thanks for the tips
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 03:32 PM

View Postbassplayer45459, on Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 3:48 PM, said:

Yeah, i am playing limit currently, i am starting low and working my way up so sometimes i think there is value in being tricky with lots of people in to get more out of it, rather than scaring mediocre hands off. Since these are low stakes, like you said, most people say it looks good, looks bad, or i can see and extra card in case another low one comes. Sometimes so many people are in there is value in having lots in and taking half, but of course scooping is our primary goal. Thanks for the tips
yah at low stakes i wouldnt worry about every balancing too much at limit to be honest. most people wont notice. a lot that can are mass multitabling so that doesnt matter. maybe if you trip and fall into a tough game we can start to be tricky, but with massively strong hands i would never think of not putting more bets into the pot. As Devo on pokerroad radio famously said, bet to make the pot bigger. we want a massive pot with this hand. i like the thinking to be honest bc it shows you are paying close attention to your table, but i think you will slip into massive FPS (fancy play syndrome) by not just doing that.
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 08:32 PM

the hands to be wary of raising multiway from the blinds are like aa6j and a379. you want to raise hands that will hit often and hit hard.
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 08:34 PM

View Postrrumsey, on Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 12:52 PM, said:

if you dont know you should be raising the second best possible starting hand pre, what are you doing playing this game. go to 2+2 and find a basic over strat post, or get a book on O8.
maybe worse advice than the bad advice they give over there :club: the only reason to go read over there is if you want to laugh or you want to see what others are up to. there are some good players who post there but don't expect them to share anything worth while.
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Posted 09 August 2010 - 09:37 AM

View Postantistuff, on Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 9:34 PM, said:

maybe worse advice than the bad advice they give over there :club: the only reason to go read over there is if you want to laugh or you want to see what others are up to. there are some good players who post there but don't expect them to share anything worth while.
naaaaahh some people post some good general guides for games they play as like there 1k, 2k, or whatever K posts. in the end if you play that game a lot they dont help too much but they are decent at getting someone started in it. and its free. and usually paraphrased from a book. free= good!fwi, im not a huge fan of 2+2 bc most of them are fart sniffers who think they are all gods gift to poker. they also all live in there parents basement and have never gotten laid too! :ts jk!
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Posted 09 August 2010 - 06:27 PM

View Postbassplayer45459, on Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 12:46 PM, said:

I have played this game for years, i know it is the second best starting hand, what i am looking for is if there is any discussion to just call and eithe disguise or keep more people in the pot, yes it seems silly, but i havent played in a year or more and i am interested to what people think
My advice is to disregard rumsey tbh.Obv 3 bet hand, I see what you are getting at tho.One could contend that if you perhaps min raise or something early in a SnG or tourney if you think you are going to get 3-4 flatters so you can hopefully earn even more in a 3/4 winner or something, while minimizing your risk if you catch a flop like JJ9 or something so you can actually release in certain spots.Edit: i just saw that you are playing limit. Sorta different dynamic. I could find a flat here to try and keep 5 players in the pot.Honestly though, I think I'm mashing PF with AA2 in all situations and then reassessing as the cards come around.

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 06:42 PM

View PostMaxStPolish, on Monday, August 9th, 2010, 7:27 PM, said:

My advice is to disregard rumsey tbh.Obv 3 bet hand, I see what you are getting at tho.One could contend that if you perhaps min raise or something early in a SnG or tourney if you think you are going to get 3-4 flatters so you can hopefully earn even more in a 3/4 winner or something, while minimizing your risk if you catch a flop like JJ9 or something so you can actually release in certain spots.Edit: i just saw that you are playing limit. Sorta different dynamic. I could find a flat here to try and keep 5 players in the pot.Honestly though, I think I'm mashing PF with AA2 in all situations and then reassessing as the cards come around.
oooh so i was right,...... lol! dont miss spots you should be betting in limit.
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Posted 11 August 2010 - 02:55 AM

View Postrrumsey, on Tuesday, August 10th, 2010, 9:42 PM, said:

oooh so i was right,...... lol! dont miss spots you should be betting in limit.
I'm 99% sure you were responding based on the assumption of pot limit. Regardless, your response wasn't about being "right" as it was about being a douchebag. Simply put, your advice is literally the WORST of anyone I've seen on this board since I joined 18 months ago. It's cool that you try though. However, you have no place trying to be one of those "I'm so good at the game that I'll just disrespect people that post obvious-answer questions". IMO no one should be like that.....but especially not the worst strat poster on a site.I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm sure you are a decent person in general....but don't do the "douche repsonse" thing. It's not like I'm a genius at the game....that said I don't diss other people in general strat questions.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 05:54 AM

Theres no allin button on limit so if u want value fire when u can. You dont really want a lot of people in the pot if u ask me but I mostly play nlhe and then you pretty much want to single out people with a good preflop hand, say AA. You want to keep as much people in as possible with weaker starting hand with potential to trap people. a suited connector or when set mining to maximize value.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 06:40 PM

View PostMaxStPolish, on Monday, August 9th, 2010, 10:27 PM, said:

My advice is to disregard rumsey tbh.Obv 3 bet hand, I see what you are getting at tho.One could contend that if you perhaps min raise or something early in a SnG or tourney if you think you are going to get 3-4 flatters so you can hopefully earn even more in a 3/4 winner or something, while minimizing your risk if you catch a flop like JJ9 or something so you can actually release in certain spots.Edit: i just saw that you are playing limit. Sorta different dynamic. I could find a flat here to try and keep 5 players in the pot.Honestly though, I think I'm mashing PF with AA2 in all situations and then reassessing as the cards come around.
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