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Posted 22 August 2010 - 08:20 PM

The popularity of the sport (any sport) for the casual fan depends on the "classic" teams doing well. In Football, there are a handful of teams that need to do well: Raiders (though, since they have been so bad this may not be true, but they have a huge fan base-if just for the team gear-and if they do well it would be great for the NFL), Cowboys and to a lesser extent the Steelers, 49ers, and the Colts. In baseball it is the Yankees. In basketball it is the Lakers and Celtics. In hockey it is...hell there are no casual fans. Parity also plays a big part, but I don't think for the casual fan, I think parity works for the fans of the other 27 teams.
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Posted 22 August 2010 - 08:44 PM

View Postslink, on Sunday, August 22nd, 2010, 9:20 PM, said:

The popularity of the sport (any sport) for the casual fan depends on the "classic" teams doing well. In Football, there are a handful of teams that need to do well: Raiders (though, since they have been so bad this may not be true, but they have a huge fan base-if just for the team gear-and if they do well it would be great for the NFL), Cowboys and to a lesser extent the Steelers, 49ers, and the Colts. In baseball it is the Yankees. In basketball it is the Lakers and Celtics. In hockey it is...hell there are no casual fans. Parity also plays a big part, but I don't think for the casual fan, I think parity works for the fans of the other 27 teams.
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Posted 23 August 2010 - 10:27 AM

View Postslink, on Sunday, August 22nd, 2010, 9:20 PM, said:

The popularity of the sport (any sport) for the casual fan depends on the "classic" teams doing well. In Football, there are a handful of teams that need to do well: Raiders...
You're right. I sure hope the Raiders can start winning so the NFL can become popular again.
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Posted 23 August 2010 - 10:31 AM

View PostJoeyJoJo, on Monday, August 23rd, 2010, 2:27 PM, said:

You're right. I sure hope the Raiders can start winning so the NFL can become popular again.
and that's that argument.much more important for the NBA or NHL to have iconic teams winning. The NFL has hit their I'm Keith Hernandez stage.....of course if they have a long lockout who knows....
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Posted 23 August 2010 - 03:44 PM

View PostJoeyJoJo, on Monday, August 23rd, 2010, 11:27 AM, said:

You're right. I sure hope the Raiders can start winning so the NFL can become popular again.
Yeah cause that was the point I was making....
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Posted 23 August 2010 - 04:30 PM

View Postslink, on Monday, August 23rd, 2010, 7:44 PM, said:

Yeah cause that was the point I was making....
actually it basically was. your point was that the popularity of a sports league for casual fans depends on the success of iconic teams.His point was that given the immense popularity of the NFL at the moment (coinciding with the abject suckitude of the Raiders over the last 5+ years) that apparently the NFL is not dependent on the success of the Raiders or iconic teams generally for popularity. The NFL is so popular it does not matter who is good and who is not.I find his argument to be a sound rebuttal of your theory.
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Posted 23 August 2010 - 05:59 PM

View PostCaneBrain, on Monday, August 23rd, 2010, 5:30 PM, said:

actually it basically was. your point was that the popularity of a sports league for casual fans depends on the success of iconic teams.His point was that given the immense popularity of the NFL at the moment (coinciding with the abject suckitude of the Raiders over the last 5+ years) that apparently the NFL is not dependent on the success of the Raiders or iconic teams generally for popularity. The NFL is so popular it does not matter who is good and who is not.I find his argument to be a sound rebuttal of your theory.
Nope. It is always better for any league to have it's iconic teams doing well. Perhaps I should have written "better" rather than "depends". And I am pretty sure he realizes that.
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Posted 23 August 2010 - 11:53 PM

View Postslink, on Monday, August 23rd, 2010, 5:59 PM, said:

Nope. It is always better for any league to have it's iconic teams doing well. Perhaps I should have written "better" rather than "depends". And I am pretty sure he realizes that.
Well, I'll bite.. Why?Also, how many teams count as iconic? Maybe it'd be easier to answer how many teams are not.. I'd appreciate an answer to either.
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Posted 23 August 2010 - 11:58 PM

View PostDrawingDeadInDM, on Tuesday, August 24th, 2010, 2:53 AM, said:

Well, I'll bite.. Why?Also, how many teams count as iconic? Maybe it'd be easier to answer how many teams are not.. I'd appreciate an answer to either.
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Posted 24 August 2010 - 09:50 AM

View Postslink, on Monday, August 23rd, 2010, 6:59 PM, said:

Nope. It is always better for any league to have it's iconic teams doing well. Perhaps I should have written "better" rather than "depends". And I am pretty sure he realizes that.

View Postslink, on Sunday, August 22nd, 2010, 9:20 PM, said:

The popularity of the sport (any sport) for the casual fan better on the "classic" teams doing well. In Football, there are a handful of teams that need to do well: Raiders (though, since they have been so bad this may not be true, but they have a huge fan base-if just for the team gear-and if they do well it would be great for the NFL), Cowboys and to a lesser extent the Steelers, 49ers, and the Colts. In baseball it is the Yankees. In basketball it is the Lakers and Celtics. In hockey it is...hell there are no casual fans. Parity also plays a big part, but I don't think for the casual fan, I think parity works for the fans of the other 27 teams.
Well now it makes even less sense. GRAMMATICALLY.But (slightly more) seriously, the casual fan nowadays doesn't care about the "classic" teams as much as you seem to think. They care about whatever dynasty is currently dominating the NFL. For example, teams like the Raiders and 49ers, which haven't been relevant for a long time, wouldn't carry a bigger Super Bowl audience than the Patriots, a team that doesn't have a tremendous history from back in the day, but has (arguably) been the most dominant for the past ten years. If the Saints do well again this year, they'll be the team to bring big audiences, etc. The Yankees didn't start putting up huge tv numbers as soon as they pulled out of their 80s-90s funk, it took a few years of dominance to turn them back into the powerhouse they were before and are again. But I don't completely disagree with you.
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Posted 24 August 2010 - 02:59 PM

Even though the Raiders are an "iconic" team, I don't think the NFL needs the Raiders to be good. I was under the impression that all NFL fans (other than Raider fans) hate the Raiders. I think everyone would be perfectly happy if the Raiders ceased to exist (again other than Raider fans).If we are going to keep talking about this point, I really don't think the NFL needs any one team to be good. In other sports you can make that point (ex: Yankees, Red Sox, Lakers, and even NY Knicks). But I could care less if a random great team like the Steelers, Cowboys, or Niners vanished.Also, the Raiders have needed Al Davis to die for the last 20+ years. He is never going to die so get over it. Almost every time I hear someone get in a Raiders conversation they bring up Al Davis dying.
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Posted 12 September 2010 - 02:37 PM

Someone wake me up when next season starts.
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Posted 12 September 2010 - 02:40 PM

View Postking_tanner, on Sunday, September 12th, 2010, 5:37 PM, said:

Someone wake me up when next season starts.
McFadden looked good.

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napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 03:02 PM

View Postbrvheart, on Sunday, September 12th, 2010, 3:40 PM, said:

McFadden looked good.
Their running backs are always decent, they just get injured.It is the same problem every year... o-line, and defense not being able to stop the run. Also, in the past they have had great WR's which is not the case anymore. Not Campbell's fault at all.
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Posted 12 September 2010 - 09:02 PM

That was pretty ugly. Still only 1 game, and still some positives to take. Turn it around next week against the Rams
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Posted 20 September 2010 - 10:58 PM

lolll Bruce Gradkowski!!!He is the next Doug Flutie.
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Posted 21 September 2010 - 03:01 PM

They have to start him. Jason Campbell is basically JaMarcus Russell without the purple drank. He has no pocket awareness and holds the ball way too long.
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Posted 22 September 2010 - 12:49 AM

View Postkers2, on Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 4:01 PM, said:

They have to start him. Jason Campbell is basically JaMarcus Russell without the purple drank. He has no pocket awareness and holds the ball way too long.
Gradkowski is definitely more mobile which is a necessity for a team that isn't blocking anybody.It is really hard to judge Campbell though. He gets no time at all to throw the ball. The only big name QB I can see succeeding in the Raiders offense is Michael Vick, and that is just because he is fast. Put Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Roethlisberger, pretty much any star QB in Oakland and they would be just as bad as Campbell imo.Scratch that, I'm just going to blame the o-line for every single Raider problem for now on.
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Posted 22 September 2010 - 09:10 AM

View Postkers2, on Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 4:01 PM, said:

They have to start him. Jason Campbell is basically JaMarcus Russell without the purple drank. He has no pocket awareness and holds the ball way too long.
throw any NFL QB in as the raiders starter and they will look bad to decent. you guys need an Oline more than a good QB. you have two good QBs in Cambell and Gradkowski. plus boyler is a decent third stringer (did he make the cut?). but ya, your line is bad.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 01:14 PM

Gonna get your chance to see if it's O-line or not, Campbell out, Gradkowski in




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