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[JaysonWeber]

The game is .5/1 No-Limit Live, 6 Handed.Big-Blind, Dealt A 7:diamond:UTG - LimpUTG+1 - Limp Button - LimpSB - CompletesI raise it, making it 3 to go, So I have some information.UTG - Folds, UTG+1 - CallButton - CallSB - FoldsFlop 3:diamond: 8 4 :club:I Bet $6.00, Figure I might take it down, if not I have a good drawing hand.UTG - Thinks for a minute, mucks.UTG+1 - Re-Raises to $12.00Button - Re-Raises All-in to $20.00I am facing a raise and re-raise... The button player doesn't worry me at all, He does not win at cards and is a horrible players, he probobly has Q high here... This is no exageration.The pot has $51.00 And It is $12.00 If I want too call.I have $35.00 left. I am not worried about the All-in player, I turn my attention to the UTG+1. He is a strong player, Tight-Aggresive. If I smooth call this UTG+1 Will set me in 90% of the time, If I raise, He folds 50% of the time, but he will only call me with a hand that I am a Dog too at the moment, and if I fold, I am out of the hand.What is your move?Forgive me if there are any math errors.

[akishore]

if you're good against the button, reraise all-in.at least that's what i do most of the time since it also goes well with my LAG table image.aseem

[allinbluff35]

do people limp small PP's, KQs, and small connectors?

[DCWildcat]

This looks nasty to me. Normally I'd immediately advocate calling, but that's doesn't sound possible in this situation since he'll put you in anyway. There's a big chance your A is dead to a set...that min. raise worries me. I'm pretty sure only your flush is live.Calling is out of the question.If you can take him out 50% of the time by pushing, then you're risking <1/2 the pot to (probably) win it all, since you'll probably beat button. This makes me lean towards moving in.The other 50%, though...I'm thinking he'll fold anything less than a set here. The set seems so likely here...I think you can't be looking for a call here; you'd be a big dog if you failed to move him off the hand.I lean toward folding.

[JaysonWeber]

Allright I just discussed this hand W/ Akishore.I have the nut-flush draw, and an overcard.There is 51 in the put Currently, If I push here, I am adding 35. If UTG+1 Calls 100% of the time, there is 109 in the pot. So I have to be certain that IF he calls 100% of the time I can win it 1-3 of those times. With the Flush draw, not even counting the overcard ace (which I did count by the way) I am a favorite to win this pot more than 1/3 of the time.So the fact that he might fold, even one in four times here makes this plus +EV.The only move to make here is All-In.There is too much equity in this pot.

[akishore]

what were the results?i'm dying to know because i'm a results wh*re who doesn't understand that poker is about making correct decisions in the long term, and the results of an individual hand are so incredibly negligent that they don't even need to be mentioned in the context of strategy. in fact, i love to rabbit hunt the turn and river everytime i fold a runner-runner flush or gutshot draw--heck, i do it even when i folded 6-high and want to know if i would have caught running trips. damn, i love no limit hold 'em, i want to turn pro! solid...sorry, i'm tired. just getting the frustration out of playing the slowest game ever with every hand being mole-hunted by several people, everyone splashing the pot, taking their sweet time to talk and joke while the table is waiting on them, everyone slowrolling by showing just one card, people rat-holing by keeping their buy-in separate and practically making the statement that they'd rather eat five snakes alive than dabble into their protected stack, etc.man, i need to sleep.aseem

[DCWildcat]

JaysonWeber said:

Allright I just discussed this hand W/ Akishore.I have the nut-flush draw, and an overcard.There is 51 in the put Currently, If I push here, I am adding 35. If UTG+1 Calls 100% of the time, there is 109 in the pot. So I have to be certain that IF he calls 100% of the time I can win it 1-3 of those times. With the Flush draw, not even counting the overcard ace (which I did count by the way) I am a favorite to win this pot more than 1/3 of the time.So the fact that he might fold, even one in four times here makes this plus +EV.The only move to make here is All-In.There is too much equity in this pot.

Alright, so you've swayed me 8)However, I'm still not sure aboout your analysis. If he has a set (and he probably does), he'll fill up 25% of the time against your flush. That, combined with the fact that I still think your ace is dead, makes me think your math is a little high.But given the +EV with him folding 50%, I still change my mind and believe that it is correct to push.BTW, why do you still count your ace, (all of its outs for that matter)?

[KDawgCometh]

but Jayson san you didn't discuss it with me :wink: . I think a bigger raise might have to happen here PF. I think $5 is an apporpiate number. I want to pare the field down here so that I either get everyone to fold, or get it HU in which I can win normally UI. As far as the flop play. I think you have to push. You will chase this baby anyway, and I think that there is a good chance for you to push out the TAG here. IN fact agaisnt the idiot, you may be good, or you cuold at worst have all of your outs working for you( I'm including the seven too). Push and hope that the TAG folds

[JaysonWeber]

DCWildcat said:

If he has a set (and he probably does)

We play in two totally different worlds Wildcat This is not a play this guy makes wild Trips, He doesn't need trips, and most likely doesn't have trips for this play That is why I counted my ace as a small out, thinking he has TPTK or a PP.What kind of Tight-Passive games you sitting in Can I join? lolNo... the result of this hand was UTG+1 called me with Pocket Sixes I smiled at him before he turned his hand over, we had a short conversation while he counted out the appropriate amount of chipsMe - "Small Pocket Pair Chris?"Chris - "Nut Flush Draw Web?"We both knew... Turns out I made the correct decision and he made a great read, although it was pretty obvious I had that or TPTK by my bets.

[Jordan]

did u make the flush?- Jordan

[BeanGW]

JWeb:The 25K question is, would you have made the same call if you were the one w/ pocket 6's?

[DCWildcat]

JaysonWeber said:

DCWildcat said:

If he has a set (and he probably does)

We play in two totally different worlds Wildcat This is not a play this guy makes wild Trips, He doesn't need trips, and most likely doesn't have trips for this play That is why I counted my ace as a small out, thinking he has TPTK or a PP.What kind of Tight-Passive games you sitting in Can I join? lol

Gotcha.3 words: PLEDGE A FRATERNITY! 8) Rich boys without brains, and who play drunk all the time. And easy to get a game started.

[bascomeb]

not sure if i would've called or not but why did you raise in the first place preflop? IMO that was an extremely loose raise there.You have to respect the under the guns limps.I know I limp a lot under the gun with strong hands such as AA KK looking for some clown to raise with A 7 like you just did. Also I limp with like AQ off suit so if Ace came out what then? You lose a big pot to me? Seems dumb to build up the pot like this with just A 7.

[Rocketwadster]

I also don't like the pr-flop raise. Either needs to be bigger (if you want to see where you stand) or just take the free flop. :wink:

[Diboss]

the preflop raise did strike me as strange too, but as he says, his game is crazy, so it may make sense in that context. I love flops like that, geez!

[Diboss]

the preflop raise did strike me as strange too, but as he says, his game is crazy, so it may make sense in that context. I love flops like that, geez!

[CobaltBlue]

I don't hate the pre-flop raise. I wouldn't make it often in this situation, but I don't hate it. If your opponents are limping with garbage, it's a great bet for value. I do agree that it probably should've been a bit more if you wanted it to be more effective.

[DCWildcat]

Need the PF raise, it's +EV