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#1 fist pump

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 05:04 AM

Small history vs Villain. I played 130 hands with him before this hand. He raised preflop with AA in CO and I smoothed called with KK on button. I check raised him on the flop and then fired the other 2 streets on a Q high board and he just called entire way. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comBB ($50)UTG ($58.75)MP ($53)CO ($36.25)Button ($93.05)Hero (SB) ($83.90)Preflop: Hero is SB with QPosted Image, QPosted Image3 folds, Button bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, 1 fold, Button calls $3Flop: ($9.50) 5Posted Image, JPosted Image, 7Posted Image (2 players)Hero bets $6, Button raises to $17, Hero calls $11Turn: ($43.50) 4Posted Image (2 players)Hero checks, Button checksRiver: ($43.50) 8Posted Image (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $22, Hero foldsTotal pot: $43.50 | Rake: $2.15Am I supposed to shove this flop 100% of the time still? What about calling then shoving turn?

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 08:51 AM

I am still learning myself, but here is how I looked at this hand. You will get some better responses than me, but:1) 3-Bet was too light. I assume you are playing 100BB so you and button are very deep. Should have made it like $6-$8.2)Flop bet was too low. Should have been pot on this. He probably would have called instead of raised. Looks like he is trying to buy it here, but he could have hit a set here, but the no bet on the turn looks weak/draw in position, and the half pot/value bet on the river looks he hit or bluff the flush/straight. I would guess he had Ax clubs or complete air because I don't understand being aggressive, then shut it down OP on the brick turn, but IMO you played pre-flop and flop weak. Someone better than me should respond here, but this is how I see it.
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Posted 14 July 2010 - 10:19 AM

imo, i think you need to shove this flop...i think there is enough bluffs in his range (especially since you saw him call down with aa previously), and on top of that, the board looks good to to him to bluff the flop...unless you have a big pp, which you do, you most likely miss this board with your 3bet range and would fold to a raise...as played, i most likely fold on the river - looks like a value bet, but it could be thin value from a j...i think it's close......but like covair said, i'm just learning..

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 01:16 PM

View Postshynepo3, on Wednesday, July 14th, 2010, 10:19 AM, said:

imo, i think you need to shove this flop...i think there is enough bluffs in his range (especially since you saw him call down with aa previously), and on top of that, the board looks good to to him to bluff the flop...unless you have a big pp, which you do, you most likely miss this board with your 3bet range and would fold to a raise...as played, i most likely fold on the river - looks like a value bet, but it could be thin value from a j...i think it's close......but like covair said, i'm just learning..
lol wat? You shove $73 into a $9 dollar pot?Played fine Pre-flop. I might have raised $5-6 but thats just me.Bet at least $16 on the flopBet at least $45 on the turn, chances are he would have folded here. River could be a few things, though checking on both the turn and river is screaming weaknessso he could be making this bet with a few different hands. With $43.50 already in the pot, I thinkI am calling the $22 bet on the river. The only thing he really ever has here is a rivered flush ( or a jack)

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 01:25 PM

I'm pretty sure Shy means to 3-bet shove the flop after getting raised, not to open-shove the flop.
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Posted 14 July 2010 - 01:45 PM

View PostMerby, on Wednesday, July 14th, 2010, 1:25 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure Shy means to 3-bet shove the flop after getting raised, not to open-shove the flop.
Read it wrong. That being said, :club:, one of the downfalls to posting at work.Thought the rest of my post still stands.Bet more on the flop and bet the turn and avoid this whole situation.

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 04:59 PM

View PostMerby, on Wednesday, July 14th, 2010, 1:25 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure Shy means to 3-bet shove the flop after getting raised, not to open-shove the flop.
this, or just shove the turn
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Posted 14 July 2010 - 07:16 PM

View PostJSpencer, on Wednesday, July 14th, 2010, 5:45 PM, said:

Read it wrong. That being said, :club:, one of the downfalls to posting at work.Thought the rest of my post still stands.Bet more on the flop and bet the turn and avoid this whole situation.
lol,.....how did u know i was at work????? or were you talking about yourself too? but yeah, i meant over the raise...

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 07:02 AM

View Postshynepo3, on Wednesday, July 14th, 2010, 8:16 PM, said:

lol,.....how did u know i was at work????? or were you talking about yourself too? but yeah, i meant over the raise...
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Posted 18 July 2010 - 06:39 PM

I dont like just calling the flop given you are oop, which means shove most of the time and very rarely folding is an option if this guy is a complete nit - you would want to know the player pretty well though.What did you plan on doing if he bet the turn?

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 04:52 PM

I was expecting him to check turn and then me shove on any card that wasn't a club on the river is what I think I told myself during the hand. So if he bet the turn without a club I was probably shoving there as well. Like I said though in title, I miss played it regardless.




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